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Offline songbird

Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #245 on: May 27, 2026, 02:37:50 PM »
Latter times, how are we to understand what are latter times.  Cardinal Manning speaks, writes of the Latter times,; now?
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Re: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"
« Reply #246 on: July 01, 2026, 05:01:32 PM »
As this thread establishes with abundant proof texts from the saints and Fathers, the phrase "consummationem saeculi" references the time before Christ's return, and encompasses some if not all of the following: the Antichrist, with his signs and wonders,  the Great Apostasy, the Abomination of Desolation, and the two witnesses of Apocalypse 11. St. Augustines, at least, included most of these things as part of the "last judgment":


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St. Augustine, City of God, Book XX, Chapter 30

That the last judgment, then, shall be administered by Jesus Christ in the manner predicted in the sacred writings is denied or doubted by no one, unless by those who, through some incredible animosity or blindness, decline to believe these writings, though already their truth is demonstrated to all the world. And at or in connection with that judgment the following events shall come to pass, as we have learned: Elias the Tishbite shall come; the Jews shall believe; Antichrist shall persecute; Christ shall judge; the dead shall rise; the good and the wicked shall be separated; the world shall be burned and renewed. All these things, we believe, shall come to pass; but how, or in what order, human understanding cannot perfectly teach us, but only the experience of the events themselves. My opinion, however, is, that they will happen in the order in which I have related them.

A term synonymous with "consummationem saeculi" in some of the Fathers is "consummatione mundi," the consummation of the world. Indeed, that term has even more finality than "consummation of the age" in my view. Yet that term as well is understood to encompass a period of time before Christ's return, and not just the "end of the world" as an end to time this side of eternity.

Here's St. Jerome using the term:


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In consummatione mundi, quando orbis redactus fuerit in solitudinem, et obtenebratus sol in ortu suo, et luna splendorem suum non dederit, tanta fient ab Antichristo signa atque portenta, ut iniquitate crescente, refrigescat charitas multorum, ad decipiendos etiam si fieri potest electos Dei.

In the consummation of the world, when the world shall have been reduced to desolation, and the sun darkened at its rising, and the moon shall not give its brightness, so many signs and wonders will be done by Antichrist that, as iniquity increases, the love of many will grow cold, even to deceiving, if it were possible, the elect of God.

https://monumenta.ch/latein/a.php?tabelle=Hieronymus&s=177831&sectio=33&id=Hieronymus,%20Commentarii,%20in%20Isaiam,%2006,%20%20%2013,%20%2033&string=&apparat=%C2%AC_first_frame=&nummer=&domain=&lang=0&target=&inframe=1
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