Author Topic: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi" (Read 68659 times)

2Vermont · « **Reply #20 on:** August 16, 2019, 08:39:27 AM »

Quote from: Struthio on August 16, 2019, 08:11:57 AM

Whether present or not at the Robber Council, we don't need more than one hand to count those who rejected it.

As long as there that many, then the shepherds are not missing.

Stubborn · « **Reply #21 on:** August 16, 2019, 09:22:20 AM »

Quote from: Struthio on August 16, 2019, 08:25:56 AM

You are speculating based on the assumption that it's impossible that Catholics are or will be orphans during the consummation.

Since the Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until the consummation, according to Our Lord's promise, your assumption is unacceptable.

Since the Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until the consummation, according to Our Lord's promise, your assumption is unacceptable. - - - What?

I am not basing a speculation on an assumption, I am accepting as fact what both V1 and Our Lord Himself said in John 14:18: "I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you."

Since the Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until the consummation, according to Our Lord's promise, for faithful Catholics it is a fact that we will not be left as orphans, that there will always be priests and bishops for faithful Catholics, as long as there are faithful Catholics in this world.

Struthio · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2019, 09:32:49 AM »

Quote from: 2Vermont on August 16, 2019, 08:39:27 AM

As long as there that many, then the shepherds are not missing.

They're deceased. Apostolic succession is over. R&R-proponents say that that's impossible, and conclude that the robber conciliar hierarchy didn't lose their offices though they're modernist heretics. Sedevacantists say that they did lose offices. But sedevacantist bishops have no apostolic seat or mandate either.

Struthio · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2019, 09:46:11 AM »

Quote from: Stubborn on August 16, 2019, 09:22:20 AM

I am not basing a speculation on an assumption, I am accepting as fact what both V1 and Our Lord Himself said in John 14:18: "I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you."

See verse 16. Our Lord speaks about the Paraclete, and not about shepherds.

Quote from: Stubborn on August 16, 2019, 09:22:20 AM

Since the Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until the consummation, according to Our Lord's promise, for faithful Catholics it is a fact that we will not be left as orphans, that there will always be priests and bishops for faithful Catholics, as long as there are faithful Catholics in this world.

No. The meaning of the term "consummation of the world", used by the Vatican Council, is given by Our Lord in Mt 28 and Mt 24 (see the opening post).

You suggest again that the consummation identifies a point in time or a very short event before the return of Our Lord. But this idea is based on nothing but on your own fantasy.

Stubborn · « **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2019, 10:19:10 AM »

You want the word "consummation" to mean "consummating" - I think. At this point I can't be sure what you want it to mean.

At what point is the marriage complete? At the consummation of the marriage.
At what point does the world end? At the consummation of the world.

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