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    Sirach 12

    [10]
    Never trust thy enemy: for as a brass pot his wickedness rusteth:
    Non credas inimico tuo in aeternum : sicut enim aeramentum aeruginat nequitia illius :
    [11] Though he humble himself and go crouching, yet take good heed and beware of him.
    et si humiliatus vadat curvus, adjice animum tuum, et custodi te ab illo.
    [12] Set him not by thee, neither let him sit on thy right hand, lest he turn into thy place, and seek to take thy seat: and at the last thou acknowledge my words, and be pricked with my sayings.
    Non statuas illum penes te, nec sedeat ad dexteram tuam, ne forte conversus in locum tuum, inquirat cathedram tuam, et in novissimo agnosces verba mea, et in sermonibus meis stimuleris.

    2 Thessalonians 2

    [3] Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
    Ne quis vos seducat ullo modo : quoniam nisi venerit discessio primum, et revelatus fuerit homo peccati filius perditionis,
    [4] Who opposeth, and is lifted up above all that is called God, or that is worshipped, so that he sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself as if he were God.
    qui adversatur, et extollitur supra omne, quod dicitur Deus, aut quod colitur, ita ut in templo Dei sedeat ostendens se tamquam sit Deus.

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    In his Commentaria in Ecclesiasticum Blessed Rabanus Maurus Magnentius, Archbishop of Mainz and one of the most prominent teachers of the Carolingian age, called Praeceptor Germaniae, author of the hymn Veni Creator Spiritus, says that the false friends who "take thy seat" in Sirach 12:12 are to be understood as heretics, whose doctrine is full of errors and wickedness, crawling like a cancer (sideways). (mlat.uzh.ch (Patrologia Latina), Rabanus Maurus)

    The last Antichrist, "not the prince himself alone, but his whole body, that is, the mass of men who adhere to him, along with him their prince" may sit "as the temple of God", "as the Church of God as if he were the Church of God." (St. Augustine on 2 Thess 2, cf. Reply #106, Reply #188)

    The Antichrist and his body, "sitting in the temple", are also the "abomination of desolation standing in the holy place" (Mt 24:15), occupying seats in the Church, such "that the word of truth has stood, as it were, when it was not the word of truth, but the desolating abomination" (Opus Imperfectum in Matthaeum, homily XLIX, prophetic perfect tense), taking the seats of the successors of the apostles.


    The Vatican Council says that there will be a Pope and bishops "usque ad consummationem saeculi". It seems obvious what is to be expected during the consummation, during the tribulation, during the reign of Antichrist and his minions.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    By quoting Mt 28:20, until the consummation of the age, the Vatican Council redirects the readers to scripture and the exegesis of the Fathers. Anyone praying the Divine Office (at the time of the Vatican Council), read the exegesis of St. Jerome on Matthew 24:15-35 once a year on the last Sunday after Pentecost; Jerome equates the consummation of the age and the abomination of desolation and the reign of Antichrist.

    https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/vatican-council-says-there-will-be-shepherds-'usque-ad-consummationem-saeculi'/msg712898/#msg712898

    Very interesting. 
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    In his Commentaria in Ecclesiasticum Blessed Rabanus Maurus Magnentius, Archbishop of Mainz and one of the most prominent teachers of the Carolingian age, called Praeceptor Germaniae, author of the hymn Veni Creator Spiritus, says that the false friends who "take thy seat" in Sirach 12:12 are to be understood as heretics, whose doctrine is full of errors and wickedness, crawling like a cancer (sideways). (mlat.uzh.ch (Patrologia Latina), Rabanus Maurus)

    "cancer" = crab in Latin.  I actually had to the correct the same mistake in a translation of Pope St. Leo the Great's sermons for the Catholic University of America's Fathers of the Church series.  So it makes sense about a crab scampering about the way they are wont to do.




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    Thanks Lad, I wasn't aware that English speaking readers may not be aware of cancer = crab. 
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


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    St. Cyprian of Carthage, speaks about sealed prophecy concerning the consummation of the age, in his Testimonia adversus Iudaeos:

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    Apud Esaiam: Et erunt vobis hi omnes sermones sicut sermones libri qui signatus est: quem si dederis homini scienti litteras ad legendum, dicet: Non possum legere, Signatus est enim. (0682B) Sed in illa die audient surdi sermones libri ; et qui in tenebris et qui in nebula sunt, oculi caecorum videbunt (Isa. XXIX, 11, 18) .

    Item apud Hieremiam: In novissimo dierum cognoscetis ea (Hier. XXIII, 20).

    Item apud Danielem: Muni sermones et signa librum usque ad tempus consummationis, quoad discant multi, et impleatur agnitio ; quoniam cum fiet dispersio, cognoscent omnia haec (Dan. XII, 4, 7) .
    Patrologia Latina, mlat.uzh.ch


    St. Cyprian quotes Isaias (the following is from drbo.org, Vulgate):

    Quote from: Is 29
    [11] And the vision of all shall be unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which when they shall deliver to one that is learned, they shall say: Read this: and he shall answer: I cannot, for it is sealed.

    Et erit vobis visio omnium sicut verba libri signati, quem cum dederint scienti litteras, dicent : Lege istum : et respondebit : Non possum, signatus est enim.

    [...]

    [18] And in that day the deaf shall hear the words of the book, and out of darkness and obscurity the eyes of the blind shall see.

    Et audient in die illa surdi verba libri, et de tenebris et caligine oculi caecorum videbunt.


    He sees the same in Jeremias:

    Quote from: Jer 23
    [20] The wrath of the Lord shall not return till he execute it, and till he accomplish the thought of his heart: in the latter days you shall understand his counsel.

    Non revertetur furor Domini, usque dum faciat et usque dum compleat cogitationem cordis sui : in novissimis diebus intelligetis consilium ejus.


    And the same in Daniel:

    Quote from: Dan 12
    [4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time appointed: many shall pass over, and knowledge shall be manifold.

    Tu autem Daniel, claude sermones, et signa librum usque ad tempus statutum : plurimi pertransibunt, et multiplex erit scientia.

    [10] [...] none of the wicked shall understand, but the learned shall understand.

    [...] neque intelligent omnes impii : porro docti intelligent.


    In the Vulgate, we have "in that day" (Isaias), "in the latter days" (Jeremias), "the time appointed" (Daniel).

    But St. Cyprian didn't have the Vulgate of Jerome. In the case of Daniel he quotes:

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    Muni sermones et signa librum usque ad tempus consummationis, quoad discant multi, et impleatur agnitio ; quoniam cum fiet dispersio, cognoscent omnia haec (Dan. XII, 4, 7) .
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    Guard the words and seal the book until the time of the consummation, until then many may learn and knowledge may increase; whereas when the scattering will happen, they will understand all these things.

    St. Cyprian equates "in that day", "in the latter days", and "the time of the consummation". That's the time when the sheep are scattered and the prophecy will be fully understood (though not by the wicked).

    The Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until that same time, usque ad consummationem saeculi. Obviously, then, without shepherds, the scattering of the band of the holy people of Dan 12:7 will happen.

    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)

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    Quote from: Pius IX
    He decreed that that same sacrifice which He performed is to redeem the whole human race from the yoke of sin to reconcile all things in heaven and earth, and to remain until the consummation of the world.
    Amantissimi Redemptoris, papalencyclicals.net

    Given that Antichrist will come and change the very laws and the sacred rites as well (see quote below), this quote of Pius IX implies that the consummatio saeculi denotes that same time during which the received and approved rites of the Church will be replaced by other new ones, by the abomination of desolation; the same time during which the continual sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination unto desolation shall be set up, in the holy place.


    Quote from: St. Jerome, In Danielem
    "... And he shall crush the saints of the Most High, and will suppose himself to be able to alter times and laws." The Antichrist will wage war against the saints and will overcome them; and he shall exalt himself to such a height of arrogance as to attempt changing the very laws of God and the sacred rites as well. He will also lift himself up against all that is called God, subjecting all religion to his own authority.
    tertullian.org


    None can say that the Novus Ordo wasn't announced.
    Men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple ... Jerome points this out. (St. Robert Bellarmine)


     

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