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Author Topic: Vatican Council says there will be shepherds "usque ad consummationem saeculi"  (Read 68661 times)

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Very good question.

The abomination of desolation, which is the beginning of the consummation of the world, would be the Robber Council 1962-1965 where virtually all apostolically authorized shepherds met to declare their revolt (2 Thess 2,3) and apostasy and adherence to the "synthesis of all heresies" in a most solemn act. They found a new religion of man and make fire to come down from heaven unto the earth (Apoc 13,13) for their new pentecost.

The Vatican Council explains the promise of our Lord (Mt 28,20) that there shall be apostolically authorized sheperds until the consummation.

The consummation is lasting more than 50 years now. It may last 70 years like the babylonian exile (Dan 9,2), or end before the generation of witnesses of the abomination will pass (Mt 24,32-34).

What should one do in this time of tribulation? flee to the mountains (Mt 24,16), not go back to the house to take ones coat (Mt 24,17-18), Go out from Babylon (Ap 18,4). If therefore they shall say to you: Behold he is in the desert, go ye not out: Behold he is in the closets, believe it not. (Mt 24,26)


Looks like home-aloning is recommended.
Were all the authorized shepherds at the Robber Council?  Did any of the authorized shepherds renounce the Robber Council?

What you are doing, is starting with home alonesim, then going through these theological gymnastics [...]

No, Stubborn, not true.

I was told that the sedevacantist position seems unlikely, since Pastor aeternus refers to Our Lord's promise not to leave us as orphans. Then I checked what Pastor aeternus really teaches.

It's not "theological gymnastics" to ask what exactly the Council means when saying usque ad consummationem saeculi.

I was quite astonished to find support for home-alonism.


It does not mean that the consummation has already begun [...]

True, I agree. When I say that the consummation has already begun, then that's an observation of mine and not a statement of the Vatican Council. Taking the comments of St. John Chrysostom and the Robber Council as I see it, I come to the conclusion that it has begun.


[...] leave us as orphans, hiding in the dark waiting for, what, the end?        

Prophecy is clear. In the end "the band of the holy people" will be "scattered" (Dan 12,7). The function of the shepherds, and the Pope, is to gather the "holy people", not scatter them. But they will be scattered.

Also, Our Lord himself says: "And unless those days had been shortened, no flesh should be saved: but for the sake of the elect those days shall be shortened." (Mt 24,22) Does that sound like we have to expect flourishing parishes, shepherds and a Pope, when Our Lord returns?






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No, Stubborn, not true.

I was told that the sedevacantist position seems unlikely, since Pastor aeternus refers to Our Lord's promise not to leave us as orphans. Then I checked what Pastor aeternus really teaches.
Without pastors, we would be orphans with no one to feed us, i.e. feed our souls. With that in mind, it is only logical that priests should be the last ones to go, not the first. Seems you claim that V1 really teaches they're the first ones to go, which is exactly opposite of what it actually says.





 

Were all the authorized shepherds at the Robber Council?  Did any of the authorized shepherds renounce the Robber Council?

Whether present or not at the Robber Council, we don't need more than one hand to count those who rejected it.

Without pastors, we would be orphans with no one to feed us, i.e. feed our souls. With that in mind, it is only logical that priests should be the last ones to go, not the first. Seems you claim that V1 really teaches they're the first ones to go, which is exactly opposite of what it actually says.

You are speculating based on the assumption that it's impossible that Catholics are or will be orphans during the consummation.

Since the Vatican Council says that there will be shepherds until the consummation, according to Our Lord's promise, your assumption is unacceptable.