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Offline AgnusDei

Re: Validly ordained FSSP and ICKSP priests?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2020, 11:56:42 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 25, 2020, 07:58:23 PM
I know for a fact that not one of the non-Lefebvre ordinations of the Fraternity of St. Peter were done by an old ceremony consecrated bishop, which is rather odd and stands out as a red flag. It had to be done purposely. I have to assume that it is the same with The Institute of Christ the King.

Though, a Fraternity priest is in a safer position than the Novus Ordo ordained because the Fraternity priest was ordained with the old rite of ordination, he still has a strike against him because the bishop that ordained him may not be a bishop. Personally, I would go to priests where I have no doubts about their ordination.
Of course, it was done purposefully, just like how the FSSP vow includes subjection to Vatican II and requiring all FSSP priests to celebrate or serve at a Novus Ordo "Mass" once per year, witnessed by a the local NO bishop.
I stay the Hell away from NO "trads" for the sole reason of the New Rite of Ordination. If anyone has a list of former SSPX priests currently serving in the FSSP, I would be interested in keeping it in my files because those guys make valid sacraments. 
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Offline Cryptinox

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Re: Validly ordained FSSP and ICKSP priests?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2020, 01:31:19 AM »
Quote from: AgnusDei on December 05, 2020, 11:56:42 PM
Of course, it was done purposefully, just like how the FSSP vow includes subjection to Vatican II and requiring all FSSP priests to celebrate or serve at a Novus Ordo "Mass" once per year, witnessed by a the local NO bishop.
I stay the Hell away from NO "trads" for the sole reason of the New Rite of Ordination. If anyone has a list of former SSPX priests currently serving in the FSSP, I would be interested in keeping it in my files because those guys make valid sacraments.

Reminds me of Fernando Rifan's consecration. It feels like they deliberately chose to make the new rite bishop the principal consecrator. I watched the video and the only person saying the essential form was the new rite bishop, not Bp. Lincio Rangel. So the only officially approved tridentine episcopal consecration was most likely invalid. If I were to go to an indult said by an ex SSPX priest I would not take Communion since you don't know if it was consecrated by the doubtful assistant pastor or not.  There is an ICKSP priest in my state who was ordained at 21 or 23 so I wonder if he was part of another trad group with valid orders before joining ICKSP. Very ironic how FSSP priests take the Oath Against Modernism too.
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: Validly ordained FSSP and ICKSP priests?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2020, 08:30:13 AM »
I know an FSSP priest ordained by JPll. No matter what you think of him (JPll), he was ordained a Bishop before 1968 so his Episcopal consecration is valid. His ordinations, even under the new rite are probably ok as well as the new rite of ordination has far less objections  to it than the Bishop's consecrations.
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Offline Cryptinox

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Re: Validly ordained FSSP and ICKSP priests?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2020, 09:35:45 AM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on December 06, 2020, 08:30:13 AM
I know an FSSP priest ordained by JPll. No matter what you think of him (JPll), he was ordained a Bishop before 1968 so his Episcopal consecration is valid. His ordinations, even under the new rite are probably ok as well as the new rite of ordination has far less objections  to it than the Bishop's consecrations.
What is his name? Where was he ordained? Was he ordained for the novus ordo in the new rite or was JP II ordaining FSSP priests in the traditional rite? He could be like John Zuhlsdorf who says the trad mass but was "ordained" in the new rite by JP II.
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Offline AgnusDei

Re: Validly ordained FSSP and ICKSP priests?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2020, 11:40:34 PM »
Quote from: josefamenendez on December 06, 2020, 08:30:13 AM
I know an FSSP priest ordained by JPll. No matter what you think of him (JPll), he was ordained a Bishop before 1968 so his Episcopal consecration is valid. His ordinations, even under the new rite are probably ok as well as the new rite of ordination has far less objections  to it than the Bishop's consecrations.
Are you willing to bet your soul - or the souls of your children - on the New Rite of Ordination?
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