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UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
« on: November 26, 2006, 09:05:52 PM »
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #1 on: November 26, 2006, 10:30:25 PM »
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2006, 08:30:12 AM »
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  • I am glad for this post. I think that the good bishop is spot on when he speaks. And, I think that he is more than well aware of that anything "good" that comes from Rome these days has maggots under the surface. I will read it later.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2006, 01:40:47 PM »
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    The Official Church is still Hegelian.


    Are we actually supposed to believe that the Immaculate Spouse of Christ is Hegelian????  My mother is spotless and true - and cannot be otherwise.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2006, 03:29:11 PM »
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    If Catholic Tradition allowed itself to be incorporated into the Hegelian Church, the Truth would only be used in order to make heresy flourish...The Official Church is still Hegelian...A Hegelian is an absolute enemy of absolute truth...Between Hegel and absolute truth, there is an absolute contradiction. Hegel has conquered the modern world, or communism is profoundly Hegelian. Communism and modernism are kissing cousins, and so, between modernism and absolute truth is an absolute enmity...


    There is definitely an identity problem here.  The Bp. is identifying the Immaculate Spouse of Christ with her own 'absolute' enemies.  Hegel's central idea is: thesis, antithesis, synthesis.  This idea Bp. Williamson has been selling over and over in his letters - one Church, partly 'official' and partly 'unofficial', containing two religions yet with the same, visible head - is...an hegelian synthesis.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2006, 03:37:28 PM »
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  • 'Bishop Williamson's Mentevacantist Error'

    http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=86&catname=12
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2006, 03:51:17 PM »
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    In Hegel's world, anything can contradict anything. Every contradiction is a simply thesis and a synthesis, which needs to be reconciled in the synthesis.


    In Bp. Williamson's world, Holy Church can be riddled with contradictions and internal divisions ('official'/'unofficial', Hegelain/Catholic, etc.) - and still be the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church, warts and all.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2006, 03:53:06 PM »
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    I assumed that the bishop equated the Vatican with the Bride's enemies.  Vatican=official church.


    But he insists that these enemies are the very men who possess supreme authority in the Catholic Church.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2006, 04:08:23 PM »
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  • I understood him as meaning the "official Church" like the one that the world thinks is the real Church, headed by the man known as Benedict. The "official" Church that plans to visit the head of the Orthodox church, pray at a mosque, blah blah blah.  I believe that Bishop Williams was being a smart-aleck with that remark, that is his dry sense of humor. The real Church, not to be confused with the "official" is hidden and he is well aware of that.

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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #9 on: November 27, 2006, 04:13:16 PM »
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  • Gladius, I see your point thought that he goes so very close to saying the truth of the papacy. Then always stops short. I keep thinking that he is watching how things go with the SSPX and Rome and if Fellay joins them he will head another break and no longer pull punches about what he thinks to be the truth. Still, I feel it would be more honest of him to just say the truth than to couch it in hidden meanings as he does. I really think he is sede.

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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2006, 07:50:23 PM »
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  • Dawn,

    I pray the Bishop soon becomes sedevacantist, ending this double mindedness that is killing (or at least seriously enervating) the resistance to the enemy.  

    Bp. Williamson wrote:
    "Archbishop (Lefebvre) said, 'we are dealing with people who do not believe in absolute truth. People who do not believe in absolute truth cannot be Catholic.' So, there is no way a Catholic can come to an understand(ing) with a Hegelian.... . ....What is necessary is for the Catholics to understand who modernists are. Modernism is a very subtle and a very dangerous heresy..."

    All people who do not believe in absolute truth cannot be Catholic.

    Hegelians do not believe in absolute truth.

    Hegelians cannot be Catholic.

    Benedict XVI is an Hegelian.

    Benedict XVI cannot be Catholic.

    A non-Catholic cannot be Pope.

    Benedict XVI is a non-Catholic Hegelian and cannot be Pope.

    Question: Why does the SSPX waste precious time and energy "negotiating" with hegelians, if there is "no way" they can come to an understanding?  

    Modernism is, in the words of St. Pius X, "the synthesis of all heresies" and all modernists are (the worst of all possible) heretics.

    Benedict is an hegelian and a modernist.

    Benedict IS an heretic.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #11 on: November 27, 2006, 09:23:20 PM »
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  • From what I understand past Popes have been heretics.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2006, 05:15:06 PM »
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    From what I understand past Popes have been heretics.


    This is commonly thrown about these days, but it is untrue.
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2006, 07:33:19 PM »
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    From what I understand past Popes have been heretics.


    This is commonly thrown about these days, but it is untrue.


    What about the term material heretic? Have there not been many of those in the past as well as formal heretics?
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    UPDATE! Bishop Williamson on the Motu Proprio
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2006, 07:39:38 PM »
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    What about the term material heretic? Have there not been many of those in the past as well as formal heretics?


    Present your evidence of either one, Kepha.  

    Can a formal (public) heretic be the head of the society of which he is no longer a member?  No, he cannot.
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