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Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
« Reply #225 on: Yesterday at 10:09:43 AM »
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  • And I do agree with +ABL re: Rome is in apostacy etc., I also agree with him saying non-una cuм was ridiculous. 

    And in 1986 when +ABL admitted?:

    "I am on the way to saying the Pope is not Pope"

     "it is possible we may be obliged to believe [John Paul II] is not pope."


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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #226 on: Yesterday at 12:43:20 PM »
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  • And in 1986 when +ABL admitted?:

    "I am on the way to saying the Pope is not Pope"

     "it is possible we may be obliged to believe [John Paul II] is not pope."
    What about it? He died 5 years later and still said that the pope was the pope. I think after dealing face to face with both PPVI and also JP2 in 1980 (I think) and 1988, that if anything, he would have had no doubt whatsoever. So quote the good archbishop all you want, he had plenty of time to actually accept it before he died, but he never did. That fact is indisputable.  

      

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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #227 on: Yesterday at 03:21:21 PM »
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  • What about it? He died 5 years later and still said that the pope was the pope. I think after dealing face to face with both PPVI and also JP2 in 1980 (I think) and 1988, that if anything, he would have had no doubt whatsoever. So quote the good archbishop all you want, he had plenty of time to actually accept it before he died, but he never did. That fact is indisputable. 

    I know he actually didn't. But he believed it could be done by the laity and acted upon. He never retracted his public belief.

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    « Reply #228 on: Today at 05:56:15 AM »
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  • I know he actually didn't. But he believed it could be done by the laity and acted upon. He never retracted his public belief.
    Well, all he said was only that it was possible, he never preached, promoted or in any way encouraged it. It is a quote that is most often misquoted or "conveniently" misunderstood. 

     You say "he believed it could be done by the laity and acted upon."  He never said that, and he never meant that or he would have said that. That's why I say that sedes should not quote him at all, because like you, they tend to put words in his mouth that he did not say.
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse

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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #229 on: Today at 08:52:02 AM »
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  • Well, all he said was only that it was possible, he never preached, promoted or in any way encouraged it. It is a quote that is most often misquoted or "conveniently" misunderstood.

     You say "he believed it could be done by the laity and acted upon."  He never said that, and he never meant that or he would have said that. That's why I say that sedes should not quote him at all, because like you, they tend to put words in his mouth that he did not say.

    You don't preach a possibility other than....to preach it! He said it in a sermon to seminarians and he was an honest man, so he preached it. Yes, he promoted the possibility. He considered it immanent and a possibility in the very near future. Nothing misquoted. Read the whole thing in context. He felt it important enough to be published TWICE in the Angelus in the same year. 

    Just like I showed you St. Francis de Sales implied it takes no special faculty to discern and include it, the Abp did the same. Otherwise he would have be responsible enough, in the same sermon to the seminarians, qualified that they shouldn't do it themselves. He didn't.

    All wrong, buddy.