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Offline SkidRowCatholic

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Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
« Reply #45 on: Yesterday at 03:36:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Yesterday at 03:28:49 PM
    Quit relying on that AI
     
    It is just a tool like the computer/phone and search engines you are using right now.
    If we don't like the answer(s) the problem must be the machinery right?

    Don't beat around the bush.

    Name the teachings which you call "crap" line for line.
    Show using pre-Vatican II sources that denounce the falsehood and lies of the "buggy" AI in this matter.
    Expose the errors in logic and factual inconsistencies about these past events and teachings.
    Demonstrate why the popes were wrong in this.
    Show us why the doctors and saints erred here.
    Give us the true teaching according to...:confused:
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #46 on: Today at 05:13:32 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Yesterday at 03:34:22 PM
    IDK if you can see this but everything the AI keeps spitting out is EXACTLY the same principle +Lefebvre and the SSPX used to defend against the charge of schism.

    The Canon Law allows for one who perceives a threat to their faith to not be liable to penalties for subsequent acts of perceived disobedience. His and the society's whole canonical argument hinged on that.

    He had "moral certitude" that the threat to the priesthood, Sacraments, and the faith was very real indeed, so based on that conviction HE HAD TO ACT.

    The moral principle is the same with the Cathedral priest and removing the name of Nestorius.

    And even now, any priest can (and I would argue should) use the same defense if they truly believe that Prevost is a manifest, public heretic.
    Because the moral principle is there that they are truly NOT in communion with the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church due to their manifest, public heresy and to tell this to God in the Mass when convicted that they are heretics would be to tell a lie IF they were truly morally certain of the heresy being manifest, and public. Morally certainty is all that is required to act.

    But I would go further myself and say I have absolute certainty that Vatican II taught heresy officially, though moral certainty will suffice.
    That AI is saying what a heretic is, and it is also saying that the conciliar popes are not heretics, which makes the whole OP mute. And it is also saying sedes are schismatic, and it is also saying that sedes are not members of the Church, and it also says per the law of Quo Primum the pope's name cannot be omitted from the Canon of the Mass.  

    You want to pick and choose which teaching is true, well, for the sake of argument, so do I. I will pick the latter - per the law of Quo Primum the pope's name cannot be omitted from the Canon of the Mass.  

    Now what?
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #47 on: Today at 09:19:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 05:13:32 AM
    Now what?
    Don't worry, I realize that you didn't even take the time to read the AI post, so I can walk you through it one step at a time.

    What do you think was the Catholic principle at play was when Pope St. Horsmodius said in his profession of faith. 

    "In no way do we desire to be in communion with those who do not agree with this Apostolic See."

    And,

    "We likewise condemn all who remain in communion with him."

    And,

    "    I promise that from now on those who are separated from the communion of the Catholic Church, that is, who are not in agreement with the Apostolic See, will not have their names read during the sacred mysteries.
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #48 on: Today at 10:56:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Today at 09:19:49 AM
    Don't worry, I realize that you didn't even take the time to read the AI post, so I can walk you through it one step at a time.
    Don't worry, I realize that you didn't even take the time to read the AI post stating that Pope Paul VI and all the other conciliar popes were not heretics, so their names belong in the Canon.

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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #49 on: Today at 11:06:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 10:56:58 AM
    Pope Paul VI and all the other conciliar popes were not heretics, so their names belong in the Canon.
    But wait...



    So, just a check on your logic.

    You say the AI is right about them not being heretics so their names belong in the Canon.

    You say they are heretics so their names do belong in the Canon.

    You deny (or just ignore, which is implicit denial) the Catholic principle of the necessity of being one in faith to share communion.

    Simple point, you don't have to use the AI, I will. I will break it down for you step-by-step and then we can see which "crap" teachings you oppose and why.

    So, step one:

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    What do you think was the Catholic principle at play was when Pope St. Horsmodius said in his profession of faith.

    "In no way do we desire to be in communion with those who do not agree with this Apostolic See."

    And,

    "We likewise condemn all who remain in communion with him."

    And,

    "    I promise that from now on those who are separated from the communion of the Catholic Church, that is, who are not in agreement with the Apostolic See, will not have their names read during the sacred mysteries.
    What Catholic principle is being taught/expressed here?
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #50 on: Today at 11:19:41 AM »
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    • Thank you skid for being the moral arbitrator of what is and is not Catholic.

    Where would we be without you.
     
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #51 on: Today at 11:22:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: TomGubbinsKimmage on Today at 11:19:41 AM
    Thank you skid for being the moral arbitrator of what is and is not Catholic.

    Where would we be without you.
     
    Is it the teaching or no Tom?

    If you say no, which teachings do you disagree with and why?

    You ad hominem me and then I rebuke you for it and your non-contribution to the OP.

    Then you lash back because you are acting petty Tom.

    If the teachings are false then stand up for the truth.

    If the teachings are true why do you hate them so?
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #52 on: Today at 11:43:15 AM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Today at 11:06:56 AM
    But wait...



    So, just a check on your logic.

    You say the AI is right about them not being heretics so their names belong in the Canon.

    You say they are heretics so their names do belong in the Canon.

    You deny (or just ignore, which is implicit denial) the Catholic principle of the necessity of being one in faith to share communion.

    Simple point, you don't have to use the AI, I will. I will break it down for you step-by-step and then we can see which "crap" teachings you oppose and why.

    So, step one:
    What Catholic principle is being taught/expressed here?
    I don't know what you think you're accomplishing wit this AI thing, but it's junk, even worse, it's dangerous especially for converts who are less knowledgeable in the faith and crisis but who might use it thinking it is actually a reliable source for answers. 

    I said the popes are heretics, AI says they are not heretics.
    You say they are heretics therefore not popes because their heresy puts them outside of the Church.
     AI says they are true popes, not heretics, not outside of the Church. 

    I mean, the more pointed the question, the more this AI thing proves itself contradictory. 

     

     

     

       
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #53 on: Today at 11:52:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on Today at 11:43:15 AM
    I don't know what you think you're accomplishing wit this AI thing, but it's junk, even worse, it's dangerous especially for converts who are less knowledgeable in the faith and crisis but who might use it thinking it is actually a reliable source for answers.
     
    Well, there is something to that train of thought...

    Will Matthew's AI be "junk" or "even worse" if it confirms the teachings you reject?

    You seem to suffer from some sort of double standard and self-confirming bias.

    But, in charity you owe it to all the new converts to refute these erroneous lies of the "buggy" AI concerning the above OP. 

    So you will have to step through them 1-by-1 to show them why this AI is dangerous for them and how it is wrong about all this and rather it is you the equally anonymous/faceless Stubborn that has the true teaching.

    So why not put your time and effort where your mouth(technically fingers) is/are (for the good of the poor souls who will be lead into errors of the "buggy" AI). 

    If you really believe what you are saying (unless you are a liar) then wouldn't you have a duty of charity to defend the truth and help those who could be led astray from falling into a pit of error?

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    What do you think was the Catholic principle at play was when Pope St. Horsmodius said in his profession of faith.

    "In no way do we desire to be in communion with those who do not agree with this Apostolic See."

    And,

    "We likewise condemn all who remain in communion with him."

    And,

    "    I promise that from now on those who are separated from the communion of the Catholic Church, that is, who are not in agreement with the Apostolic See, will not have their names read during the sacred mysteries.
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    Re: Una cuм Question: An AI Bug, or Catholic Teaching?
    « Reply #54 on: Today at 12:33:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: SkidRowCatholic on Today at 11:52:12 AM
    Well, there is something to that train of thought...

    Will Matthew's AI be "junk" or "even worse" if it confirms the teachings you reject?

    You seem to suffer from some sort of double standard and self-confirming bias.
    AI says the conciliar pope are not heretics, we know they are heretics. That's not a double standard, that right there discredits that AI.
     
    I don't have anything to say about Matthew's AI, I'm sure that he will release it when he's ready.


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    But, in charity you owe it to all the new converts to refute these erroneous lies of the "buggy" AI concerning the above OP. 
    Far as I'm concerned, I already did. Pope St. Pius V gave us the law of Quo Primum. He made it a law that nothing be omitted from the Mass, we have no need for AI to tell us that.

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    If you really believe what you are saying (unless you are a liar) then wouldn't you have a duty of charity to defend the truth and help those who could be led astray from falling into a pit of error?
    Again, as far as I'm concerned, the sedes are the ones in error, you are trying to use that contradictory AI to convince us they are not. So be it, I hope you are right, I really do.  

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    What do you think was the Catholic principle at play was when Pope St. Horsmodius said in his profession of faith.

    "In no way do we desire to be in communion with those who do not agree with this Apostolic See."
    And,
    "We likewise condemn all who remain in communion with him."
    And,
    "    I promise that from now on those who are separated from the communion of the Catholic Church, that is, who are not in agreement with the Apostolic See, will not have their names read during the sacred mysteries
    I never heard of him, so google says this...."There is no record of a "Pope St. Horsmodius." The name is likely a misspelling of
    Pope St. Hormisdas (pope from 514 to 523)."

    At any rate, whatever it is that you are trying to make of it, it appears to me that your quote is the direct result of the Acacian Schism, the AI says: "The schism ended in 519 when Eastern bishops signed the Formula of Hormisdas, reaffirming papal primacy and Chalcedonian orthodoxy." 


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