Author Topic: Una cuм in ancient rites (Read 999 times)

PG · « **on:** October 30, 2014, 12:55:56 PM »

I am interested in knowing how far the prayer for and expressing union with the pope dates back(the latin rite's "una cuм"). There are many rites in other languages, so it would not be "una cuм". But, are there equivalents expressed in our other rites? Some of them are very ancient, and I think that knowing the history of the una cuм would be helpful. It is a topic that is dividing catholics. We had better be sure about it.

poche · « **Reply #1 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:46:46 PM »

I read where the Catholic Metropolitan of teh Ukrainian Catholic church asked some schismatics to stop praying for him in the liturgy becae they were confusing the people.

PG · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2014, 12:23:54 PM »

Poche - Thanks for the contribution.

Matthew · « **Reply #3 on:** November 01, 2014, 05:33:55 AM »

Someone actually wrote me an e-mail with information to be posted here.
Why not sign up for an account? I thought to myself. Oh well.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05022a.htm

"... The term diptych is often restricted to a highly ornamented type of notebooks...In the fourth and fifth centuries a distinction arose between profane and ecclesiastical (liturgical) diptychs...Whatever their immediate purpose the liturgical diptychs admitted only the names of persons in communion with the Church; the names of heretics and of excommunicated members were never inserted. Exclusion from these lists was a grave ecclesiastical penalty; the highest dignity, episcopal or imperial, would not avail to save the offender from its infliction...The order of which traces are now seen in the Roman Canon of the Mass was the fixed usage of the Roman Church as early as the fifth century."

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=36092.55;imode

"When Saint Hypatius [d. 450] understood what opinions Nestorius [d. 450] held, immediately, in the Church of the Apostles, he erased his name from the diptychs, so that it should no longer be pronounced at the Oblation. [This was before Nestorius’ condemnation by the Third Ecuмenical Council.] When the most pious Bishop Eulalius learned of this, he was anxious about the outcome of the affair. And seeing that it had been noised abroad, Nestorius also ordered him to reprimand Hypatius. For Nestorius was still powerful in the city. Bishop Eulalius spoke thus to Hypatius: ‘Why have you erased his name without understanding what the consequences would be?’ Saint Hypatius replied: ‘From the time that I learned that he said unrighteous things about the Lord, I have no longer been in communion with him and I do not commemorate his name; for he is not a bishop.’ Then the bishop, in anger, said: ‘Be off with you! Make amends for what you have done,
for I shall take measures against you.’ Saint Hypatius replied: ‘Do as you wish. As for me, I have decided to suffer anything, and it is with this in mind that I have done this.’

--Life of Saint Hypatius, Sources Chretiennes 177:210-214"

http://romanitaspress.com/articles/pope_resigned_what_do_i_say_during_the_te_igitur.htm

"...When he says: una cuм famulo tuo Papa nostro N., he mentions the name of the pope: but if the See is vacant the aforesaid words are omitted."

"...In former times, at this place in the Canon, the name of the king was mentioned after that of the bishop: et Rege nostro N. …but since St. Pius V issued his missal for general use, this has been omitted."

PG · « **Reply #4 on:** November 01, 2014, 09:20:17 PM »

matthew and contributor - Thanks! I do remember reading about the diptych now from a while ago. And, the date of the 5th century is very helpful. I was non una cuм before this thread, and non una cuм I remain. These popes are pertinacious, and to me, it only makes sense. Keep in mind though, I am a sedeprivationist.