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True story of an Exorcism
« on: April 22, 2007, 01:33:05 PM »
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  • This is a must read!  AWESOME...makes you glad to be a Catholic! The devil laughs at the protestant attempts to expel him, but he trembles in terror at the presence of the Blessed Sacrament.

    Second Sunday after Easter
    J.M.J.


    THE EXORCISM OF NICOLA AUBREY
    By Father Michael Muller, C.Ss.R.

    It is indeed a remarkable fact that, as the devil made use of Luther, an
    apostate monk, to abolish the Mass and deny the Real Presence; in like
    manner, God made use of His arch-enemy, the devil, to prove the Real
    Presence. He repeatedly forced him publicly to profess his firm belief in
    it, to confound the heretics for their disbelief, and acknowledge himself
    vanquished by Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. For this purpose, God
    allowed a certain Mme. Nicola Aubrey, an innocent person, to become
    possessed by Beelzebub and twenty-nine other evil spirits. The possession
    took place on the eighth of November, 1565, and lasted until the eighth of
    February, 1566.

    Her parents took her to Father de Motta, a pious priest of Vervins, in order
    that he might expel the demon by exorcisms of the Church. Father de Motta
    tried several times to expel the evil spirit by applying the sacred relics
    of the holy cross, but he could not succeed; Satan would not depart. At
    last, inspired by the Holy Ghost, he resolved to expel the devil by means of
    the sacrament of Our Lord's Body and Blood. Whilst Nicola was lying in a
    state of unnatural lethargy, Father de Motta placed the Blessed Sacrament
    upon her lips, and instantly the infernal spell was broken; Nicola was
    restored to consciousness, and received Holy Communion with every mark of
    devotion. As soon as Nicola had received the sacred Body of Our Lord, her
    face became bright and beautiful as the face of an angel, and all who saw
    her were filled with joy and wonder, and they blessed God from their inmost
    hearts. With the permission of God, Satan returned and again took possession
    of Nicola.

    As the strange circuмstances of Nicola's possession became known everywhere,
    several Calvinist preachers came with their followers, to "expose this
    popish cheat," as they said. On their entrance, the devil saluted them
    mockingly, called them by name, and told them that they had come in
    obedience to him. One of the preachers took his Protestant prayer book, and
    began to read it with a very solemn face. The devil laughed at him, and
    putting on a most comical look, he said: "Ho! Ho! My good friend; do you
    intend to expel me with your prayers and hymns? Do you think that they will
    cause me any pain? Don't you know that they are mine? I helped to compose
    them!"

    "I will expel thee in the name of God," said the preacher, solemnly.

    "You!" said the devil mockingly. "You will not expel me either in the name
    of God, or in the name of the devil. Did you ever hear of one devil driving
    out another?"

    "I am not a devil," said the preacher, angrily, "I am a servant of Christ."

    "A servant of Christ, indeed!" said Satan, with a sneer. "What! I tell you,
    you are worse than I am. I believe, and you do not want to believe. Do you
    suppose that you can expel me from the body of this miserable wretch? Ha! Go
    first and expel all the devils that are in your own heart!"

    The preacher took his leave, somewhat discomfited. On going away, he said,
    turning up the whites of his eyes, "O Lord, I pray thee, assist this poor
    creature!"

    "And I pray Lucifer," cried the evil spirit, "that he may never leave you,
    but may always keep you firmly in his power, as he does now. Go about your
    business, now. You are all mine, and I am your master."

    On the arrival of the priest, several of the Protestants went away - they
    had seen and heard more than they wanted. Others, however, remained; and
    great was their terror when they saw how the devil writhed and howled in
    agony, as soon as the Blessed Sacrament was brought near him. At last the
    evil spirit departed, leaving Nicola in a state of unnatural trance. While
    she was in this state, several of the preachers tried to open her eyes, but
    they found it impossible to do so. The priest then placed the Blessed
    Sacrament on Nicola's lips, and instantly she was restored to consciousness.
    Rev. Father de Motta then turned to the astonished preachers, and said: "Go
    now, ye preachers of the new Gospel; go and relate everywhere what you have
    seen and heard. Do not deny any longer that Our Lord Jesus Christ is really
    and truly present in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar. Go now, and let not
    human respect hinder you from confessing the truth."

    During the exorcisms of the following days, the devil was forced to confess
    that he was not to be expelled at Vervins, and that he had with him
    twenty-nine devils, among whom were three powerful demons: Cerberus,
    Astaroth, and Legio. On the third of January, 1556, the bishop arrived at
    Vervins, and began the exorcism in the church, in the presence of an immense
    multitude.

    "I command thee, in the name and by power of the real presence of Our Lord
    in the Blessed Sacrament, to depart instantly," said the bishop to Satan in
    a solemn voice.

    Satan was, at last, expelled the second time by means of the Blessed
    Sacrament. On leaving, he paralyzed the left arm and right foot of Nicola,
    and also made her left arm longer than her right; and no power on earth
    could cure this strange infirmity, until some weeks after, when the devil
    was at last completely and irrevocably expelled. Nicola was now taken to the
    celebrated pilgrimage of Our Lady at Liesse, especially since the devil
    seemed to fear that place so much. Next day Father de Motta began the
    exorcism in the church of Our Lady at Liesse, in the presence of an immense
    multitude. He took the Blessed Sacrament in his hand, and, showing it to the
    demon, he said: "I command thee, in the name of the living God, the great
    Emmanuel Whom thou seest here present, and in Whom thou believest."

    "Ah, yes!" shrieked the demon, "I believe in Him." And the devil howled
    again as he made this confession, for it was wrung from him by the power of
    Almighty God.

    "I command thee, then, in His Name," said the priest, "to quit this body
    instantly."

    At these words, and especially at the sight of the Blessed Sacrament, the
    devil suffered the most frightful torture. At one moment the body of Nicola
    was rolled up like a ball; then again she became fearfully swollen. At one
    time her face was unnaturally lengthened, then excessively widened, and
    sometimes it was as red as scarlet. Her eyes, at times, protruded horribly,
    and then again sunk deeply into her skull. Her tongue hung down to her chin;
    it was sometimes black, sometimes red, and sometimes spotted like a toad.
    The priest still continued to urge and torture Satan. "Accursed spirit!" he
    cried, "I command thee, in the Name and by the real presence of Our Lord
    Jesus Christ here in the Blessed Sacrament, to depart instantly from the
    body of this poor creature.

    "Ah, yes!" cried Satan, howling wildly, "twenty-six of my companions shall
    leave this instant, for they are forced to do so."

    The people in the church now began to pray with great fervor. Suddenly
    Nicola's limbs began to crack, as if every bone in her body were breaking; a
    pestilential vapor came forth from her mouth, and twenty-six devils departed
    from her, never more to return. Nicola then fell into an unnatural swoon,
    from which she was aroused only by the Blessed Sacrament. On recovering her
    senses, and receiving holy communion, Nicola's face shone like the face of
    an angel. The priest still continued to urge the demon, and used every means
    to expel him.

    "I will not leave, unless commanded by the bishop of Leon," answered the
    demon, angrily.

    Nicola was now taken to Pierrepont, where one of the demons, name Legio, was
    expelled by means of the Blessed Sacrament. Next morning Nicola was brought
    to the church. Scarcely had she quitted the house, when the devil again took
    possession of her. The bishop, who was requested to exorcise Nicola,
    prepared himself for this terrible task by prayer and fasting, and other
    works of penance. On arrival of Nicola in the Church, the exorcism began.
    "How many are you in this body?" asked the bishop.

    "There are three of us," answered the evil spirit.

    "What are your names?"

    "Beelzebub, Cerberus, and Astaroth."

    "What has become of the others?" asked the bishop.

    "They have been expelled," answered Satan.

    "Who expelled them?"

    "Ha!" cried the devil, gnashing his teeth, "it was He whom you hold in your
    hand, there on the paten." The devil meant our dear Lord in the Blessed
    Sacrament.

    The bishop then held the Blessed Sacrament near the face of Nicola. The
    demon writhed and howled in agony. "Ah, yes! I will go, I will go!" he
    shrieked, "but I shall return."

    Suddenly Nicola became stiff and motionless as marble. The bishop then
    touched her lips with the Blessed Sacrament, and in an instant she was fully
    restored to consciousness. She received holy communion, and her countenance
    now shone with a wondrous, supernatural beauty. Next day Nicola was brought
    again to the Church, and the exorcism began as usual. The bishop took the
    Blessed Sacrament in his hand, held it near the face of Nicola, and said:

    "I command thee in the name of the living God, and by the real presence of
    Our Lord Jesus Christ here in the sacrament of the altar, to depart
    instantly from the body of this creature of God, and never more to return."

    "No! No!" shrieked the devil, "I will not go. My hour is not yet come."

    "I command thee to depart. Go forth, impure, accursed spirit! Go forth!" and
    the bishop held the Blessed Sacrament close to Nicola's face.

    "Stop! stop!", shrieked Satan; "let me go! I will depart -- but I shall
    return." And instantly Nicola fell into the most frightful convulsions. A
    black smoke was seen issuing from her mouth, and she fell again into a
    swoon.

    During her stay in Leon, Nicola was carefully examined by Catholic and
    Protestant physicians. Her left arm, which had been paralyzed by the devil,
    was found entirely without feeling. The doctors cut into the arm with a
    sharp knife; they burnt it with fire; they drove pins and needles under the
    nails of the fingers; but Nicola felt not pain; her arm was utterly
    insensible. Once, while Nicola was lying in a state of unnatural lethargy,
    the doctors gave her some bread soaked in wine (it was what the Protestants
    call their communion, or Lord's Supper); they rubbed her limbs briskly; they
    threw water in her face; they pierced her tongue until the blood flowed;
    they tried every possible means to arouse her, but in vain! Nicola remained
    cold and motionless as marble. At last, the priest touched the lips of
    Nicola with the Blessed Sacrament, and instantly she was restored to
    consciousness, and began to praise God.

    The miracle was so clear, so palpable, that one of the doctors, who was a
    bigoted Calvinist, immediately renounced his errors, and became a Catholic.
    Several times, also, the Protestants touched Nicola's face with a host which
    was not consecrated, and which, consequently, was only bread, but Satan was
    not the least tormented by this. He only ridiculed their efforts.

    On the twenty-seventh of January, the bishop, after having walked in solemn
    procession with the clergy and the faithful, began the exorcism in church,
    in the presence of a vast multitude of Protestants and Catholics. The bishop
    now held the Blessed Sacrament close to the face of Nicola. Suddenly a wild,
    unearthly yell rings through the air -- a black, heavy smoke issues from the
    mouth of Nicola. The demon Astaroth is expelled forever. During the exorcism
    which took place on the first of February, the bishop said:

    "O accursed spirit! Since neither prayer, nor the holy gospels, neither the
    exorcisms of the Church, nor the holy relics, can compel thee to depart, I
    will now show thee thy Lord and Master, and by His power I command thee."

    During the exorcism, which took place after Mass, the bishop held the
    Blessed Sacrament in his hand, and said, "O accursed spirit, arch-enemy of
    the ever-blessed God! I command thee, by the precious blood of Jesus Christ
    here present, to depart from this poor woman! Depart accursed, into the
    everlasting flames of hell!"

    At these words, and especially at the sight of the Blessed Sacrament, the
    demon was so fearfully tormented, and the appearance of Nicola was so
    hideous and revolting, that the people turned away their eyes in horror. At
    last a heavy sigh was heard, and a cloud of black smoke issued from the
    mouth of Nicola. Cerberus was expelled. Again Nicola fell into a death-like
    swoon, and again she was brought to consciousness only by means of the
    Blessed Sacrament. During the exorcism which took place on the seventh day
    of February, the bishop said to Satan:

    "Tell me. Why hast thou taken possession of this honest and virtuous
    Catholic woman?"

    "I have done so by permission of God. I have taken possession of her on
    account of the sins of the people. I have done it to show my Calvinists that
    there are devils who can take possession of man whenever God permits it. I
    know they do not want to believe this, but I will show them that I am the
    devil. I have taken possession of this creature in order to convert them, or
    to harden them in their sins; and, by the Sacred Blood, I will perform my
    task."

    This answer filled all who heard it with horror. "Yes," answered the bishop,
    solemnly, "God desires to unite all men in the only holy faith. As there is
    but one God, so there can be but one true religion. A religion like that
    which the Protestants have invented, is but a hollow mockery. It must fall.
    The religion established by Our Lord Jesus Christ is the only true one; it
    alone shall last forever. It is destined to unite all men within its sacred
    embrace, so that there shall be but one sheepfold and one shepherd. This
    divine Shepherd is Our Lord Jesus Christ, the invisible head of the holy
    Roman Catholic Church, whose visible head is our holy Father the Pope,
    successor of St. Peter."

    The devil was silent - he was put to shame before the entire multitude. He
    was expelled once more by means of the Blessed Sacrament. In the afternoon
    of the same day the devil began to cry: "Ah! Ha! You think that you can
    expel me in this way. You have not the proper attendance of a bishop. Where
    are the dean and the archdean? Where are the royal judges? Where is the
    chief magistrate, who was frightened out of his wits that night, in the
    prison? Where is the procurator of the king? Where are his attorneys and
    counselors? Where is the clerk of the court?" (The devil mentioned each of
    these by name.) "I will not depart until all are assembled. Were I to depart
    now, what proof could you give to the king of all that has happened? Do you
    think that people will believe you so easily? No! No! There are many who
    would make objections. The testimony of these common country-people here
    will have but little weight. It is a torment to me that I must tell you what
    you have to do. I am forced to do it. Ha! Cursed be the hour in which I
    first took possession of this vile wretch.

    "I find little pleasure in thy prating," answered the bishop. "There are
    witnesses enough here. Those whom you have mentioned are not necessary.
    Depart! then; give glory to God. Depart - go to the flames of hell!"

    "Yes, I shall depart, but not today. I know full well that I must depart. My
    sentence is passed; I am compelled to leave."

    "I care not for thy jabbering," said the bishop, "I shall expel thee by the
    power of God: by the Precious Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ."

    "Yes, I must yield to you," shrieked the demon wildly. "It tortures me that
    I must give you this honor."

    The bishop now took the Blessed Sacrament in his hand, and held it close to
    the face of the possessed woman. At last, Satan was compelled to flee once
    more. The next morning, after the procession was ended, the Holy Sacrifice
    of the Mass was offered up as usual. During the consecration, the possessed
    woman was twice raised over six feet into the air, and then fell back
    heavily upon the platform. As the bishop, just before the Pater Noster, took
    the Sacred Host once more in his hand, and raised it with the chalice, the
    possessed woman was again whisked into the air, carrying with her the
    keepers, fifteen in number, at least six feet above the platform; and, after
    a while, she fell heavily back on the ground.

    At this sight, all present were filled with amazement and terror. A German
    Protestant named Voske fell on his knees; he burst into tears; he was
    converted. "Ah!" cried he, "I now believe firmly that the devil really
    possesses this poor creature. I believe that it is really the body and blood
    of Jesus Christ which expels him. I believe firmly. I will no longer remain
    a Protestant." After Mass, the exorcism began as usual.

    "Now, at last," said the bishop, "thou must depart. Away with thee, evil
    spirit!"

    "Yes," said Satan, "it is true that I must depart, but not yet. I will not
    go before the hour is come in which I first took possession of this wretched
    creature."

    At last the bishop took the Sacred Host in his hand, and said: "In the name
    of the adorable Trinity: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost -- in the name of the
    sacred body of Jesus Christ here present -- I command thee, wicked spirit,
    to depart."

    "Yes, yes, it is true!" shrieked the demon wildly; "it is true. It is the
    body of God. I must confess it, for I am forced to do so. Ha! It tortures me
    that I must confess this, but I must. I speak the truth only when I am
    forced to do it. The truth is not from me. It comes from my Lord and Master.
    I have entered this body by the permission of God."

    The bishop now held the Blessed Sacrament close to the face of the possessed
    woman. The demon writhed in fearful agony. He tried in every way to escape
    from the presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament. At length a black
    smoke was seen issuing from the mouth of Nicola. She fell into a swoon, and
    was restored to consciousness only by means of the Blessed Sacrament. The
    eighth of February, the day appointed by God on which Satan was to leave
    Nicola forever, arrived at last. After the solemn procession, the bishop
    began the last exorcism.

    "I shall not ask thee any longer," said the bishop to Satan, "when thou
    intendest to leave, I will expel thee instantly by the power of the living
    God, and by the precious Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, His beloved Son,
    here present in the Sacrament of the Altar."

    "Ha, yes!" shrieked the demon. "I confess that the Son of God is here really
    and truly present. He is my Lord and Master. It tortures me to confess it,
    but I am forced to do so." Then he repeated several times, with a wild,
    unearthly howl: "Yes, it is true. I must confess it. I am forced to leave,
    by the power of God's body here present. I must -- I must depart. It
    torments me that I must go so soon, and that I must confess this truth. But
    this truth is not from me; it comes from my Lord and Master, who has sent me
    hither, and who commands and compels me to confess the truth publicly."

    The bishop then took the Blessed Sacrament in his hand, and, holding it on
    high, he said, with a solemn voice: "O thou wicked, unclean spirit,
    Beelzebub! Thou arch-enemy of the eternal God! Behold, here present, the
    precious Body and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ, thy Lord and Master! I
    adjure thee, in the name and by the power of Our Lord and Savior Jesus
    Christ, true God and true man, who is here present; I command thee to depart
    instantly and forever from this creature of God. Depart to the deepest depth
    of hell, there to be tormented forever. Go forth, unclean spirit, go
    forth -- behold here thy Lord and Master!"

    At these solemn words, and at the sight of our sacramental Lord, the poor
    possessed woman writhed fearfully. Her limbs cracked as if every bone in her
    body were breaking. The fifteen strong men who held her, could scarcely keep
    her back. They staggered from side to side; they were covered with
    perspiration. Satan tried to escape from the presence of Our Lord in the
    Blessed Sacrament. The mouth of Nicola was wide open; her tongue hung down
    below her chin, her face was shockingly swollen and distorted. Her color
    changed from yellow to green, and became even gray and blue, so that she no
    longer looked like a human being; it was rather the face of a hideous,
    incarnate demon. All present trembled with terror, especially when they
    heard the wild cry of the demon, which sounded like the loud roar of a wild
    bull. They fell on their knees, and with tears in their eyes, began to cry
    out: "Jesus, have mercy!"

    The bishop continued to urge Satan. At last the evil spirit departed, and
    Nicola fell back senseless into the arms of her keepers. She still, however,
    remained shockingly distorted. In this state she was shown to the judges,
    and to all the people present; she was rolled up like a ball. The bishop now
    fell on his knees, in order to give her the Blessed Sacrament as usual. But
    see! Suddenly the demon returns, wild with rage, endeavors to seize the hand
    of the bishop, and even tries to grasp the Blessed Sacrament itself. The
    bishop starts back; Nicola is carried into the air and the bishop rises from
    his knees, trembling with terror and pale as death.

    The good bishop takes courage again; he pursues the demon, holding the
    Blessed Sacrament in his hand, till at length the demon, overcome by the
    power of Our Lord's sacred body, goes forth amidst smoke, and lightning, and
    thunder. Thus was the demon at length expelled forever, on Friday afternoon,
    at three o'clock, the same day and hour on which Our Lord triumphed over
    hell by His ever-blessed death.

    Nicola was now completely cured; she could move her left arm with the
    greatest ease. She fell on her knees and thanked God, as well as the good
    bishop, for all he had done for her. The people wept for joy, and sang hymns
    of praise and thanksgiving in honor of our dear Lord in the Blessed
    Sacrament. On all sides were heard the exclamations: "Oh, what a great
    miracle! Oh, thank God that I witnessed it! Who is there now that can doubt
    of the real presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the Sacrament of the
    Altar!" Many a Protestant also said: "I believe now in the presence of Our
    Lord in the Blessed Sacrament; I have seen with my eyes! I will remain a
    Calvinist no longer. Accursed be those who have hitherto kept me in error!
    Oh, now I can understand what a good thing is the Holy Sacrifice of the
    Mass!"

    A solemn Te Deum was intoned; the organ pealed forth and the bells rung
    forth a merry chime. The whole city was filled with joy.

    This great triumph of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament over Satan
    occurred in the presence of more than 150,000 people, in the presence of the
    ecclesiastical and civil authorities of the city, of Protestants and
    Catholics alike. I have published a lengthy account of this extraordinary
    affair in a little volume entitled "Triumph of the Blessed Sacrament." These
    facts are well authenticated by the accounts published in various
    languages - French, Italian, Spanish, and German, as I have shown on pages
    13, 14, and 15 of the above-mentioned little volume.


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    The above was taken from Chapter 5 of the book The Holy Sacrifice of the
    Mass by Fr. Michael Muller, C.SS.R. available from TAN Books & Publishers
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    True story of an Exorcism
    « Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 02:38:15 PM »
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  • I think I had read that same exorcism story awhile back. Considering arguments against the validity of the NOM, if we would want to settle any arguments, why not just hold a Host consecrated at a NOM in front of a possessed person and see what happens? Just a thought really I have.
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)


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    « Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 03:01:20 PM »
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  • Or even have a typical, average Novus Ordo Catholic priest perform an exorcism. It would be interesting to see how the devil would respond. Would it be like he responded to the Calvinist? Or would it be just like the Catholic priest? Perhaps somewhere in the middle -- or it would depend on the priest.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 23, 2007, 09:55:19 AM »
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  • Or just look at the success the NO has had in ridding this country of abortion.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 23, 2007, 10:06:07 AM »
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  • Speaking of abortion --

    I was taught (and it makes perfect sense) that the battle against abortion CANNOT BE FOUGHT (at least not successfully) at the abortion clinics. The women trying to have abortions have already been damaged -- it is too late for most of them.

    The real battle was 10 years previous, when the woman was watching TV, attending public school, dressing immodestly, listening to pop music, "dating" etc.

    Abortion is just the fruit of all those behaviors. You can't eliminate abortion (the effect) without removing all the ROOT CAUSES.

    Immodesty, worldliness, lack of mortification, lack of catechism, disconnect from parents, etc. is what leads to abortion.  

    So we should be fighting against TV, immodesty, etc. and NOT wasting our time at the abortion mills (except perhaps to pray the rosary there...but even then, don't hope to actually turn any women away)

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    « Reply #5 on: April 23, 2007, 10:34:11 AM »
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  • Well, there you go.  But I am mindful of Our Lady of Guadalupe who stopped that other human sacrifice which was even more instilled in that culture.
    +RIP
    Please pray for the repose of her soul.

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    « Reply #6 on: April 25, 2007, 01:41:17 AM »
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  • Quote from: ChantCd
    Speaking of abortion --

    I was taught (and it makes perfect sense) that the battle against abortion CANNOT BE FOUGHT (at least not successfully) at the abortion clinics. The women trying to have abortions have already been damaged -- it is too late for most of them.

    The real battle was 10 years previous, when the woman was watching TV, attending public school, dressing immodestly, listening to pop music, "dating" etc.

    Abortion is just the fruit of all those behaviors. You can't eliminate abortion (the effect) without removing all the ROOT CAUSES.

    Immodesty, worldliness, lack of mortification, lack of catechism, disconnect from parents, etc. is what leads to abortion.  

    So we should be fighting against TV, immodesty, etc. and NOT wasting our time at the abortion mills (except perhaps to pray the rosary there...but even then, don't hope to actually turn any women away)

    Matthew


    Many women have been turned away from abortion by pro-life people outside an abortion mill. I know of one woman who desperately looked for just 1 person to tell her that she should not get an abortion- because she needed that support. But her teacher and friends whom she told remained silent.

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    « Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 01:53:20 AM »
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    I think I had read that same exorcism story awhile back. Considering arguments against the validity of the NOM, if we would want to settle any arguments, why not just hold a Host consecrated at a NOM in front of a possessed person and see what happens? Just a thought really I have.


    There was a NO priest who used to make visits to a mental assylum to give communtion to a patient there (or two). Every time he would walk past the rooms with the mental patients in them (having Our Lord in the pyx hidden inside his vest), they would start acting all crazy and cussing him and saying all these profanities. When the priest was leaving, and now the pyx was empty, the same crazy patients would act differently towards him and greet him with "hellos". He said this always happened every time he went to the mental assylum.

    I talked to this man once whe went to the N.O. near my house ( I went there for confessions). He told me the story of how his friend once brought a protestant friend to Mass one time [the N.O. Mass]. This protestant was diagnosed with cancer. Well, right at the priest's consecration of the bread, she saw bright rays emitting forth from the Sacred Host. She nudged her friend and asked in amazement how the priest was able to do that. But her friend saw nothing. Then, when the priest consecrated the wine, she saw the same bright rays emitting forth from the chalice. Once again, she nudged her friend and asked how this was done but her friend saw nothing. That week, she went to see her doctor concerning the cancer. When he took more examinations of her, for the surgery, he was amazed to find out that her cancer had completely gone away. Needless to say, this woman ended up converting to the Catholic faith.

    My point in both these stories is to show that the Sacred Host from a N.O. Mass is the exact same Lord as the Sacred Host from a Tridentine Mass and can do the same miracles, exorcisms, etc... (Unless of course, there was no valid consecration at the N.O. Mass because of improper form and matter).


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    « Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 12:38:32 PM »
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  • But how many heart attacks have been caused by the blasphemies and heresies in typical Novus Ordo sermons? Before I stopped going I was averaging two a month! And I was only in my early twenties!

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    « Reply #9 on: April 26, 2007, 12:01:54 AM »
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    But how many heart attacks have been caused by the blasphemies and heresies in typical Novus Ordo sermons? Before I stopped going I was averaging two a month! And I was only in my early twenties!


    I'm not debating about the abuses, heresies, etc... in the typical N.O.  All I'm saying it that using the Blessed Sacrament from a N.O. church for exorcisms, etc.. is just as effective as using the Blessed Sacrament from a traditional Latin church (if the consecration at the N.O. was valid, of course).

    Sorry to hear about your heart attacks. Can I ask how you know that it was related to the sermons and not from some physical condition you already had. A healthy person in their twenties does not suffer a heart attack from the stress of blashemies or heresies unless they already had a weak heart or their arteries were clogged from eating fattening and unhealthy food.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 10:53:46 PM »
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  • Thanks for the kind thought and the word to the wise. I'll leave aside my heart attacks though, except to point out that by the same token a cause besides miracles of a kind tending to prove the validity of the Novus Ordo Mass could be found for the alleged strange behavior of all those poor mentally ill people.

    I think that a little beyond the suggestion that the NO Host is truly the Lord is implied in the story. That's what I honed in on. "She converted to the Catholic Faith." I doubt that she really did if she made the mistake of thinking that the Catholic Faith is the Faith of the Novus Ordo church, however valid its Eucharistic consecrations and priestly ordinations might be. It is any manifestation of Catholic Faith in the Novus Ordo world which is treated as an "abuse" and rooted out. It's the general life and spirit and doctrine of that "faith-community" that is so terribly wrong and harmful.

    Back on the subject of heart attacks, and not even getting into correct notions on the Holy Sacrifice and the Real Presence, I think that I'd have one now if I met a Novus Ordo priest who believed and preached that Christ Himself said the first Mass, or at least said and did at the Last Supper the things that the Gospels attribute to Him. The common teaching in the NO church is that the early christian faith-community developed that interesting ritual when Jesus was long gone and retrojected it back to Him.

    A centrist conservative in the NO is one who grants the retrojection, but dares to suggest that Jesus Himself might have said and done SOMETHING to inspire the Bread/Body, Wine/Blood thing. If you say that Jesus MUST have said and done something along the lines of "taking bread in His sacred hands etc..." you're suspected of all kinds of heresies: fundamentalism, concordism... If you simply believe what the Gospels say and let that be known in no uncertain terms, you're sent off to the loony bin for psychological evaluation.

    Which brings us full circle and makes me wonder about something vis-a-vis that story...

    Let's grant that a NO Host is Christ. And that these mentally ill people with some sort of occult powers of perception (I would imagine that these are very rare) just happened to be congregated together in this one asylum so that this one priest with, perhaps, or probably, a NO apologist agenda could make hay of tendentious interpretations of their spooky reactions. That still would not prove that it would be right to worship or receive that Host or do anything but turn aside from it in horror, making the sign of the cross more for protection against the Conciliar church that wields it than out of reverence for the One Who is present but illicitly ill-used, so to speak.

    Let's say that the NO Host is NOT Christ, but that the supernatural aspect is truly there and that what the priest relates is true as to what he sees and hears (aside from his interpretations) . Demoniacs spook easily, we're told. Maybe they get all nerved up by the presence of something that like Satan or the Antichrist PARODIES God and Christ. Such as a wafer in a little gold container. THOUGHT to be Christ.

    We would remain on much firmer ground doubting that the NO Host is Christ for serious theological reasons than we would be if we were doubtful but accepted as any kind of proof or even suggestion that the NO Host IS Christ this kind of story about alleged supernatural goings-on in mental hospitals.

    In any case, that priest ought to know better by now. All that cussing and profanity must be very upsetting for both the nurses and the poor patients. He should have the nurses close the doors of the offending parties. Or he should go in some back way. Or have the non-bedeviled communicants taken to a special private room.