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Title: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: The Mrs on February 17, 2016, 02:03:31 PM

I would like to become a tertiary, but the only traditional religious order that I know of (other than the SSPX) are the Dominicans.  While I have deep respect for this order, I don't think it's the right one for me, I'm thinking the Carmelite order would be a more appropriate choice for me.  However, I can't seem to find a traditional order, does anyone know of a traditional Carmelite order or some other traditional order?  Thanks in advance.

Title: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Cantarella on February 17, 2016, 03:03:07 PM

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Title: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Gail on March 24, 2016, 09:24:32 PM

Quote from: MrsJohnson

I would like to become a tertiary, but the only traditional religious order that I know of (other than the SSPX) are the Dominicans.  While I have deep respect for this order, I don't think it's the right one for me, I'm thinking the Carmelite order would be a more appropriate choice for me.  However, I can't seem to find a traditional order, does anyone know of a traditional Carmelite order or some other traditional order?  Thanks in advance.

Mrs Johnson

I think I can help you with information on the Traditional Carmelite Third Order as I have been a member for 25 years now.

There are a number of tertiaries from various countries who support the Bishops and priests of the Resistance, and we keep in regular contact despite the distance.

hope to hear more from you,
yours sincerely,

Gail

Title: Traditional Third Order of Carmel
Post by: hermit urban on April 21, 2017, 05:12:42 PM

Hola. Soy de Argentina y tengo conocidos que desean ser terciarios carmelitas descalzos. Necesitaria alguna dirección de correo electrónico de algún terciario de habla hispana para obtener la regla en castellano, como libros de espiritualidad carmelita en castellano. Gracias.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: klasG4e on April 21, 2017, 08:07:52 PM

Gail

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I think I can help you with information on the Traditional Carmelite Third Order as I have been a member for 25 years now.

Can you please post some contact info?

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: hermit urban on April 21, 2017, 09:26:38 PM

le enviaré un mensaje privado.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: poche on April 22, 2017, 02:11:52 AM

I know of people who are traditionalists who are part of the third of order of the Carmelite order. Of course you would have to be a member of a parish that is recognized by the Catholic Church.   

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Nadir on April 22, 2017, 02:36:22 AM

Quote from: poche on April 22, 2017, 02:11:52 AM

I know of people who are traditionalists who are part of the third of order of the Carmelite order. Of course you would have to be a member of a parish that is recognized by the Catholic Church.  

I don't believe that the Carmelites are tied to the parish system, being a religious order.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: poche on April 23, 2017, 12:03:37 AM

Quote from: Nadir on April 22, 2017, 02:36:22 AM

I don't believe that the Carmelites are tied to the parish system, being a religious order.

The purpose of a third order is for the people to grow in the holiness of a particular religious community without taking the vows of  poverty chastity and obedience of that particular community, yet living the charism and holiness of the community itself. If you want to join the Carmelites tehn they require that you be a member in good standing of a Catholic parish. 

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: hermit urban on May 01, 2017, 06:47:49 PM

Hola. Disculpen, pero no se necesita ser miembro de ninguna parroquia para ser terciario. En tiempos normales, los terciarios seguramente estarían en una parroquia o en el convento al que están ligados. Formarian una Fraternidad, pero tanto la regla de la TOSF como la de los carmelitas, contempla la posibilidad de ser terciario aislado. La regla TOSF tiene en cuenta a aquellas personas que están lejos de un convento o monasterio y desean ser terciarios. La regla carmelita permite ser terciario sin ser miembro de una fraternidad. Por eso es que hay terciarios franciscanos donde está la FSSPX y estos terciarios son aislados, salvo algunas excepciones donde hay varias fraternidades, como Francia (500 miembros TOSF), Canadá y Estados unidos si no me equivoco.

Pax et Bonum.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Student of Qi on May 01, 2017, 10:39:22 PM

Hermit Urban said:

"Hi. Excuse me, but you do not need to be a member of any parish to be a tertiary. In normal times, the tertiaries would surely be in a parish or in the convent to which they are attached. They would form a Fraternity, but both the rule of the TOSF and that of the Carmelites, contemplates the possibility of being isolated tertiary. The TOSF rule takes into account those people who are far from a convent or monastery and want to be tertiary. The Carmelite rule allows to be tertiary without being a member of a fraternity. That is why there are tertiary Franciscans where the SSPX is and these tertiaries are isolated, except for some exceptions where there are several fraternities, such as France (500 TOSF members), Canada and the United States if I am not mistaken.

Pax et Bonum."

Seriously folks, if you don't speak Spanish then give it to the Google. The Google knows Spanish!

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Student of Qi on May 01, 2017, 10:47:08 PM

The older post by Hermit Urban on this thread said:


^{"Hi. I am from Argentina and I have acquaintances who wish to be barefoot Carmelite Tertiaries. I would need some e-mail address from a Spanish-speaking tertiary to obtain the rule in Castilian, like books of Carmelite spirituality in Castilian. Thank you."}

Google is very co-operative sometimes!

I hope this helps you Hermit Urban!

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: hermit urban on May 02, 2017, 08:05:56 PM

Yo uso google traductor para leer, ¿tu no puedes hacer lo mismo con mis palabras?  :confused:

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Miseremini on May 02, 2017, 10:13:04 PM

If Hermit Urban can read the OP in English wouldn't it be much nicer if he translated his spanish on Google and posted it here once instead of everybody having to translate his posts?

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Miseremini on May 02, 2017, 10:18:15 PM

About a year ago I heard of a Servite Father in Florida starting a traditional isolated (in your own home) tertiary order.
Servites are devoted to Our Mother of Sorrows.
If this is of interest I'll try to re-locate it.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Nadir on May 02, 2017, 11:31:08 PM

Yes, do try to locate it. But don't re-locate it ::) because  we may not be able to find it again.

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: Student of Qi on May 02, 2017, 11:41:50 PM

Quote from: hermit urban on May 02, 2017, 08:05:56 PM

Yo uso google traductor para leer, ¿tu no puedes hacer lo mismo con mis palabras?  :confused:

I use google translator to read, can you not do the same with my words? : Confused:

Well, Google Translator does not always work for the people I know. It often translates in a bad way.
If a person does not speak Spanish, and using Google Translator is difficult for them, they have no way of understanding what you say. I think that those people would have to just pass over your posts...
Bueno, Google Translator no siempre funciona para las personas que conozco. A menudo se traduce en una mala forma.

Si una persona no habla español, y con Google Translator es difícil para ellos, no tienen manera de entender lo que dices. Creo que esas personas tendrían que pasar por encima de sus mensajes ...

Title: Re: Traditional Third Order Options
Post by: hermit urban on May 03, 2017, 07:39:06 PM

Thank you. I'm not interested in servitas. Just looking for some tertiary that has the rule of the Tertiary Carmelites in Spanish. I'll consult with Father Ruiz who is his chaplain if he can get it for me. Thank you.  ;D