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Offline Yeti

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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2022, 05:02:57 PM »
Quote from: epiphany on July 14, 2022, 04:31:27 PM
In some orders, priests are given authority to ordain.

The episcopal character is required to confer the priesthood on someone. You can look this up in any textbook of theology.
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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2022, 05:04:29 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on July 14, 2022, 05:01:38 PM
Agreed. The new practices related to marriage annulments must be rejected.

The bond must be considered valid unless the contrary is proven. But a statement from a modernist cannot prove the marriage bond is invalid. Therefore it must be considered valid.

Why would we reject the New Mass and accept the new marriage annulments? This makes no sense.
We have no choice but to accept them, as Rome is the only authority to do such 
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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2022, 05:07:57 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on July 14, 2022, 05:02:57 PM
The episcopal character is required to confer the priesthood on someone. You can look this up in any textbook of theology.
A bull of Pope Boniface IX granted the Abbot of Saint-Osith, London the power to ordain priests, even though he was NOT a bishop.

Pope Martin V granted the same provision to the Abbot of Altzelle in Saxony.

Both dispensations were granted in the 1400s.
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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #43 on: July 14, 2022, 05:23:24 PM »
Quote from: epiphany on July 14, 2022, 05:04:29 PM
We have no choice but to accept them, as Rome is the only authority to do such
I'm not sure why you keep saying Rome is the only authority to approve annulments, since I'm not saying there is any other authority that can do so. What I'm saying is that someone claiming an annulment must prove that his first marriage was invalid, and a statement from a modernist does not prove anything.

Do you have no choice but to accept the Novus Ordo too? Isn't Rome the only authority to approve a liturgy of the Mass?
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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2022, 05:38:17 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on July 14, 2022, 05:23:24 PM
I'm not sure why you keep saying Rome is the only authority to approve annulments, since I'm not saying there is any other authority that can do so. What I'm saying is that someone claiming an annulment must prove that his first marriage was invalid, and a statement from a modernist does not prove anything.
I understand what you are saying but, since only Rome can grant an annulment, we must accept it, modernist Rome or not.  Rome will be on the hook with God for this, not priests, not laity (unless the laity knowingly abuse it).
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