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To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
« on: July 08, 2010, 11:54:14 AM »
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  • From the Traditional Roman Hymnal, an official hymnal put out by the Canadian District of the SSPX:

    Quote from: Traditional Roman Hymnal
    For all these reasons some hymns could not be included in spite of the fact that they have been in use for a fairly long time. The Church tell us us clearly that who composed them, or how long they have been in use, has little to do with what they are and whether they should be used. This is why, among a few others, To Jesus' Heart all Burning will not be found in these pages. Nearly every Catholic writer who has treated the subject of hymns has condemned it.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 11:57:54 AM »
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  • I wonder if anyone here knows why this song has been condemned.

    Our last choir director, a 93 year old Lutheran convert (who passed away a little over a month ago; RIP) used this song at our chapel, so I might be desensitized as to whatever is wrong with it.

    I have an open mind though -- I know that some songs are too mushy, vague, sentimental, etc.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 12:04:34 PM »
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  • We do not have the song, but we use Adoramus Hymnal and it is thin compared to some.....let me reprint the lyrics and maybe we can see:

    1. To Jesus’ Heart, all burning
    with fervent love for all,
    my heart with fondest yearning
    shall raise its joyful call.

    Refrain.
    While ages course along,
    blest be with loudest song
    the sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.
    The sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.


    2. O heart, for me on fire
    with love no-one can speak
    my yet untold desire
    God gives me for thy sake.

    Refrain.
    While ages course along,
    blest be with loudest song
    the sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.
    The sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.


    3. Too true, I have forsaken
    thy love for wilful sin;
    yet now let me be taken
    back by thy grace again.

    Refrain.
    While ages course along,
    blest be with loudest song
    the sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.
    The sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.


    4. As thou are meek and lowly,
    and ever pure of heart,
    so may my heart be wholly
    of thine the counterpart.

    Refrain.
    While ages course along,
    blest be with loudest song
    the sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.
    The sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.


    5. When life away is flying,
    and earth’s false glare is done;
    still, Sacred heart, in dying
    I’ll say I’m all thine own.

    Refrain.
    While ages course along,
    blest be with loudest song
    the sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue.
    The sacred heart of Jesus
    by ev’ry heart and tongue
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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 12:06:22 PM »
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  • cant see in the lyrics an issue, maybe some think this "with fervent love for all," means universal salvation, but that is a real huge stretch!

    yes loves all, wants all to be saved,but due to mis-use of free will, not all ARE SAVED.
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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 12:15:11 PM »
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  • Is it the mushy tune to it? I have got to be missing something here. I mean, if something is bad about it, I'd like to know myself!

    I don't think the original words were "for all."

    I think it was "for men," at least, that's the way they sing it here.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #5 on: July 08, 2010, 12:26:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    I don't think the original words were "for all."

    I think it was "for men," at least, that's the way they sing it here.


    maybe you then have something there-one would have to dig for original vs a revised wording history.....

    would it ot be easier to cross out and then add a word? rather then throw out or tear out  a page from the hymnals?
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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #6 on: July 08, 2010, 12:36:00 PM »
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  • I know it as "with fervent love for men."

    To Jesus Heart all Burning
    With fervent love for men
    My heart with fondest yearning
    shall raise the joyful strain


    I don't think the all/men change makes much difference really. We know that men does not exclude women, so it could still mean all!

    Nice hymn, I always thought. I can't see what's wrong with it, and I'm pretty sure we've sung it in SSPX churches over here.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #7 on: July 08, 2010, 12:38:56 PM »
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  • then, why tear out a page or throw out the book, SSPX should just cross out word(s) and write in correct ones and then get that info via pulpit to congregants.....
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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #8 on: July 09, 2010, 12:02:20 AM »
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  •  To Jesus’ Heart, all burning
    with fervent love for all,
    my heart with fondest yearning
    shall raise its joyful call.



    This is the version we use:

    To Jesus Heart all burning
    with fervent love for men
    My heart with fondest yearning
    shall raise the joyful strain


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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #9 on: July 09, 2010, 09:03:34 AM »
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  • My mom said this too... it's the mushiness and sentimental-ness of the song.

    Certain songs were condemned because of their use of chromatics (sharps and flats and half steps) in the song. It didn't follow the liturgical music norms put down by Pius X (?) when he wrote his encyclical on liturgical music.

    Those mushy chromatics were not allowed. My mom was going to be a School Sister of Saint Francis, played the violin and piano, and studied music while she was there, so she would know.

    Neither of us liked that song anyway.  :barf:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #10 on: July 09, 2010, 09:05:59 AM »
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  • Another one my mom just brought up was that ANNOYING song, "Dear Lady, of Fatima, we come on bended knee."

    My mom said it reminds her of "Take me out to the ball game"...

    Those "mushy gushy" song like my daughter says, are still nauseating to this day.

    I'm glad they disallowed them.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #11 on: July 09, 2010, 10:20:07 AM »
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  • Quote from: parentsfortruth
    Another one my mom just brought up was that ANNOYING song, "Dear Lady, of Fatima, we come on bended knee."

    My mom said it reminds her of "Take me out to the ball game"...

    Those "mushy gushy" song like my daughter says, are still nauseating to this day.

    I'm glad they disallowed them.


    Funny you should say it reminds you of "Take me out to the ball game" --

    There's one song in my song binder (again, compiled by our late choir director) called, "Oh take me to Thy Sacred Heart"

    I don't know if we've sung it, but I can't help but think it uses the same melody as the famous baseball song.

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    To Jesus Heart all Burning - condemned hymn?
    « Reply #12 on: July 09, 2010, 10:24:07 AM »
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  • It's gotta be in the melody.  I've noticed that at our chapel, they sometimes pick hymns just dripping with sentimentalism.  This taints divine worship.  

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    « Reply #13 on: July 09, 2010, 10:29:37 AM »
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  •  :shocked:  Um... isn't this song one of those traditional nun CDs?! I'm pretty sure it is!

    Has it been condemned by the Church? Or just condemned by those who study Catholic hymns? Is it okay to hear/sing it even in our homes?
    I renounce any and all of my former views against what the Church through Pope Leo XIII said, "This, then, is the teaching of the Catholic Church ...no one of the several forms of government is in itself condemned, inasmuch as none of them contains anythi

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    « Reply #14 on: July 09, 2010, 10:45:33 AM »
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  • That's what I'm thinking: it's in the melody.

    Parentsfortruth is right. Very few hymns we sing -- if any -- have a melody like this one.

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