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Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
« on: January 06, 2020, 10:34:21 AM »
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    • Someone recently posted, "And for the record I'm not saying I don't believe in the Great Monarch, the Holy Pope and the Three Days of Darkness either. I'm not really sure either way, but I give them a little more weight because they have serious people backing them up like Blessed Ann Maria Taigi and St. John Bosco and (supposedly) Padre Pio."

    I wanted to point out that at the SSPX Seminary at the turn of the Millennium, I was taught by my professor that the Three Days of Darkness is an example of the very lowest level of "Theological Certainty", the opinio tolerata.

    The SSPX has an article about the Theological Notes of certainty -- which I have attached to this post in PDF form.

    11. Less Certain Opinions
    Less certain theological opinions may be classed as probable, more probable, or well-founded (sententia probabilis, probabilior, bene fundata). Pious opinions (sententia pia) are considered in agreement with the consciousness of the Faith in the Church. The lowest degree of certainty is opinio tolerata, weakly founded but tolerated by the Church. There are no censures attached to contradicting such opinions.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #1 on: January 06, 2020, 12:41:50 PM »
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    I wanted to point out that at the SSPX Seminary at the turn of the Millennium, I was taught by my professor that the Three Days of Darkness is an example of the very lowest level of "Theological Certainty", the opinio tolerate.
    I agree this is true, if one looks at the "3 Days of Darkness" as an isolated prophecy.  However, if I may propose a conjecture that this prophecy is (arguably) backed up by other prophecies and by Scripture. 
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    How Fatima connects to many other prophecies, which relates to our current times:
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    1.  Our Lady of Fatima talks of wars, and says many will die, the "good will be martyred", etc.
    2.  Ven Holhauzer says at the end of the 5th age (with the 6th being the period of peace) that there will be all kinds of wars and persecutions. 
    3.  Our Lady says Her Immaculate Heart will Triumph and there will be a period of peace.  Ven Holhauzer says the Holy Pope and the Great Monarch fight to restore peace to the Church.
    4.  Many prophecies which talk of the "3 Days of Darkness" say that it will be a turning point in the wars, with most of the evil forces being killed.  Some prophecies say that this allows the Great Monarch to win, as he was highly outnumbered before the "3 Days" occurred.
    5.  The "3 Days of Darkness" also coincides with the prophecies of the comet of destruction, which is a logical cause for the sun/moon to be darkened, just like there is scientific/astronomical evidence of a comet in the Old Testament which caused (by God's power and design) many of the 10 plagues of Egypt, when Moses was trying to free the Isrealites from Pharaoh.
    6.  I think it is quite clear from Scripture that the "tribulation" times are NOT the same as the time of the anti-Christ.  Explained below...
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    Here is how St Mark, St Matthew, St Luke and the Prophet Joel describe the times of the "Tribulation" and how the "3 days of darkness" are connected to this time:
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    24But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light. 25And the stars of heaven shall be falling down and the powers that are in heaven shall be moved.  (Mark 13:24)
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    Matthew ch 24 says the same thing as Mark ch 13....more on St Matthew's quote below.
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    And there shall be signs in the sun and in the moon and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, by reason of the confusion of the roaring of the sea, and of the waves:  (Luke 21:25)
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    St Peter, in Acts 2:16 quotes the prophet Joel, from the Old Testament:
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    But this is that which was spoken of by the prophet Joel: 17And it shall come to pass, in the last days, (saith the Lord), I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy: and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams.
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    18And upon my servants indeed and upon my handmaids will I pour out in those days of my spirit: and they shall prophesy. 19And I will shew wonders in the heaven above, and signs on the earth beneath: blood and fire, and vapour of smoke. 20The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood, before the great and manifest day of the Lord to come. 21And it shalt come to pass, that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
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    Apocalypse vs Book of Matthew, chapter 24:
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    The 6th book of the Apocalypse very closely parallels Matthew chapter 24 (and in a less clear way, also Mark chapter 13).  Here is the timeline of Apocalypse ch 6:
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    Opening of the seals. 
    Seal 1 - Rider on a White Horse
    Seal 2 - War
    Seal 3 - Famine
    Seal 4 - Death
    Seal 5 - Martyrs
    Seal 6 - Terror
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    Seals 1-5 coincide with Mark ch 13 which is the Tribulation.  Seal 6 is a great earthquake and then the sun/moon became dark.
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    12And I saw, when he had opened the sixth seal: and behold there was a great earthquake. And the sun became black as sackcloth of hair: and the whole moon became as blood. 13And the stars from heaven fell upon the earth, as the fig tree casteth its green figs when it is shaken by a great wind. 14And the heaven departed as a book folded up. And every mountain, and the islands, were moved out of their places.  (Apoc 6: 12-14)
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    So how does this line up with St Matthew's description?
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    5For many will come in my name saying, I am Christ. And they will seduce many. 6And you shall hear of wars and rumours of wars. See that ye be not troubled. For these things must come to pass: but the end is not yet. 7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: And there shall be pestilences and famines and earthquakes in places. 8Now all these are the beginnings of sorrows.
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    Matthew's book 24 perfectly coincides with the Apocalpyse where it describes wars (seal 2), famines (seal 3), pestilences (seal 4), and earthquakes (seal 4).  And Christ says these are "beginnings of sorrows" and then He continues... 
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    9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall put you to death: and you shall be hated by all nations for my name's sake. 10And then shall many be scandalized and shall betray one another and shall hate one another. 11And many false prophets shall rise and shall seduce many. 12And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold. 13But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
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    To me, the above verses relate to Seal 5, with the description of Seal 6 below:
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    29And immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of heaven shall be moved. 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.
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    Apocalypse chapter 6 seems to not be talking about the anti-Christ era, but about a time BEFORE anti-Christ (at least it seems that way...I will readily admit that I don't know for sure).  So it seems that St Matthew, St Mark and St Luke refer to the time of the Tribulation, which is not part of anti-Christ.  So, my argument is that this will happen (potentially) in our times, before the period of peace, which is before the age of anti-Christ.  Why do I say this?  1) it lines up with the timeline of many, many prophecies and 2) it is alluded to in St Matthew's chapter 24.
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    Verse 13 was posted above, when Christ was describing the time of persecutions (which remember, is before the time of wars and famines and pestilences).  He says:
    13 But he that shall persevere to the end, he shall be saved.
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    The very next verse SEEMS to indicate a new thought, a new chapter, or a summary of what will come AFTER the persecutions, AFTER the famines, AFTER the pestilences, AFTER the earthquakes, and AFTER the sun, moon and stars are darkened:
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom, shall be preached in the whole world, for a testimony to all nations, and then shall the consummation come.
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    So after all this tribulation, Christ says that gospel shall be preached in the whole world (i.e. the whole world will be catholic...Our Lady's "period of peace"...and the peace of the Great Monarch and Holy Pope) and THEN shall the consummation come (then the rise of the anti-Christ).  This timeline matches up with all the private prophecies, with Church Fathers' writings and even with Fatima.  
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    It lines up with Fatima because Our Lady will usher in the period of peace against Satan's agents (i.e. freemasons), and She ushers in the restoration of the Church.  Our Lady does not defeat the anti-Christ (this is reserved to Our Lord) but only the precursors to the anti-Christ.  Our Lady's peace concerns the Church and is short.  Our Lord's peace (after anti-Christ) is forever til the end of the world.  The tribulation before anti-Christ is of those who are catholic or part of the world.  The anti-Christ's reign of terror is over the WHOLE earth, because all the earth was catholic when he came to power.
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    The Church Fathers wrote VOLUMES on the end times and they are unanimous that before anti-Christ comes, the whole world will be catholic first (i.e. America, Japan, China and many other nations have never been catholic countries).  The Church Fathers say that this is the great "falling away" which corresponds to St Paul's quote describing the anti-Christ's great deception.  Thus, it is logical that the period of peace, and Christ's prophecy that the "gospel...shall be preached in the whole world" has not yet happened.  Thus, the "3 Days of Darkness" happens before the period of peace.  Thus, it's quite possible that it happens in our lifetime.
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    Take all this with a HUGE grain of salt.  It's just my 2 cents.



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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #2 on: January 06, 2020, 12:55:16 PM »
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    • I think Exodus 10:21-23 prefigures the coming 3 Days of Darkness:

    And the Lord said to Moses: Stretch out thy hand towards heaven: and may there be darkness upon the land of Egypt, so thick that it may be felt. [22] And Moses stretch forth his hand towards heaven: and there came horrible darkness in all the land of Egypt for three days. [23] No man saw his brother, nor moved himself out of the place where he was: but wheresoever the children of Israel dwelt there was light.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #3 on: January 06, 2020, 01:26:00 PM »
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    • There is a woman at my SSPX chapel who is big on the Three Days of Darkness. She also claims to receive visions from Jesus and Mary. She gave out booklets about the Three Days of Darkness. She told us that it will happen this year in June so be prepared. She told me she was going to mail information about the Three Days of Darkness to every single SSPX priest so that they can warn the faithful and preach about it. I told her that I bet they all know about it already and some believe in it and some don't believe.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #4 on: January 06, 2020, 03:58:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on January 06, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
    There is a woman at my SSPX chapel who is big on the Three Days of Darkness. She also claims to receive visions from Jesus and Mary. She gave out booklets about the Three Days of Darkness. She told us that it will happen this year in June so be prepared. She told me she was going to mail information about the Three Days of Darkness to every single SSPX priest so that they can warn the faithful and preach about it. I told her that I bet they all know about it already and some believe in it and some don't believe.
    I did not archive the details and probably could not recover them, but my recollection is that the 3 Days are supposed to be in the Winter.  Does anyone recall the specifics?
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #5 on: January 06, 2020, 04:14:47 PM »
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    • The Dominicans of Avrille recently posted a good article titled:

    A Model Catholic Wife and Mother: Anna-Maria Taigi (1769-1837)

    http://www.dominicansavrille.us/a-model-catholic-wife-and-mother-anna-maria-tagi/

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    The article posted by the Avrille Dominicans did not mention the prophecies of Blessed Anna- Maria Taigi which concerned the Three Days of Darkness, so here's a little video of her prophecies concerning The Three Days:



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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #6 on: May 11, 2020, 02:26:37 PM »
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    • Thank you for posting this. It is an old post, but one I find newly relevant.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #7 on: May 11, 2020, 02:52:26 PM »
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    • I'm not even sure I would call this prophecy a theological opinion at all.  It's not a proposition that derives from other doctrine that traces ultimately back to the Deposit of Revelation.  This is an opinion of private revelation only.  There are no theological ramifications from believing it or not, or whether it happens as has been predicted or not.  It's neither here nor there from the perspective of theology.  It has some credibility behind it due to the sanctity of some of those who predicted this, but there's no 100% guarantee that they did not misinterpret something they thought they saw, considering something to be real when it was symbolic, or having some element of their imagination inject something into a vision of some kind.  With all that said, I do believe that there will be such an event.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #8 on: May 11, 2020, 02:57:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto on January 06, 2020, 01:26:00 PM
    There is a woman at my SSPX chapel who is big on the Three Days of Darkness. She also claims to receive visions from Jesus and Mary. She gave out booklets about the Three Days of Darkness. She told us that it will happen this year in June so be prepared. She told me she was going to mail information about the Three Days of Darkness to every single SSPX priest so that they can warn the faithful and preach about it. I told her that I bet they all know about it already and some believe in it and some don't believe.

    In terms of timing, I believe a couple of the prophecies, including that of Alois Irlmaier, indicate that it'll be what stops the next world war, where Russia sweeps into Europe.  It's going to turn the tide in favor of the Great Monarch.  Irlmaer predicted that this war would last only a short time, either 3 weeks or 3 months, some multiple of 3, but he wasn't sure.  So when a war breaks out where Russia invades Europe (including Northern Italy), that's when we should be bracing ourselves for the 3 Days of Darkness.

    Irlmaier also stated that China would simultaneously invade the Northwest United States, but that they wouldn't get very far.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #9 on: May 11, 2020, 03:29:40 PM »
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #10 on: May 11, 2020, 03:35:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 11, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
    In terms of timing, I believe a couple of the prophecies, including that of Alois Irlmaier, indicate that it'll be what stops the next world war, where Russia sweeps into Europe.  It's going to turn the tide in favor of the Great Monarch.  Irlmaer predicted that this war would last only a short time, either 3 weeks or 3 months, some multiple of 3, but he wasn't sure.  So when a war breaks out where Russia invades Europe (including Northern Italy), that's when we should be bracing ourselves for the 3 Days of Darkness.
    That matches my understanding.  
    More videos on it: 



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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #11 on: May 11, 2020, 06:52:09 PM »
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #12 on: May 11, 2020, 06:57:51 PM »
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    • You know, considering the moral rot and atheism infecting Europe and their financial hostage to international central bankers, an invasion from Russia would probably be a blessing. At least Russia still upholds the natural order of marriage between man and woman, and they officially recognize Jesus Christ as the only true God, and they criminalize blasphemy.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #13 on: May 11, 2020, 07:32:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 11, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
    Irlmaier predicted [...]

    Why believe in predictions of a con artist and pagan superstitious/crooked dowser who was more than ten times convicted for fraud and other crimes? Why believe in apocryphal stories which are made up and told just because sensational BS sells?

    Besides, his three days darkness story anyway is just a cover version.
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    Re: Three Days of Darkness - only Opinio Tolerata, far from De Fide
    « Reply #14 on: May 11, 2020, 07:51:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 11, 2020, 02:52:26 PM
    I'm not even sure I would call this prophecy a theological opinion at all.  It's not a proposition that derives from other doctrine that traces ultimately back to the Deposit of Revelation.

    That's why I altogether avoid such "prophecies". Same thing with all other apocryphal tradition of private "revelations". Whether Anna Katharina Emmerick/Clemens Brentano, the whole Trad Inc. or Fatima Inc. stuff and all the rest of the "explosion of visionaries" of the present and past centuries.

    I believe that all relevant revelation can be found in the old and the new testaments.

    Also, I see all predictions as dangerous which lead to millenarist thinking. Including a limited "triumph of the immaculate heart" other than on Judgment Day.
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