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Author Topic: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil  (Read 2780 times)

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Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2025, 02:03:16 AM »
Those Masses are already the Masses of the Feast Day.  There's no "Mass Portion of the Vigil".  You have a Vigil, and THEN you have the Mass.

Are you saying that the Vigil of Christmas that happens on the morning of Christmas Eve, in violet vestments, is already the Mass of Christmas? 

Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2025, 04:51:13 AM »
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=11136

1951 just dealt with time changes. 
The link is for the 1955 decree Maxima Redemptionis.

The 1951 decree was titled Dominicae Resurrectionis vigiliam and is published in AAS 43 (1951) pp. 128-129.  The rubrics and texts for the new service continue after the decree pp. 130-137.

The form of service only lasted for a year with a second version appearing in 1952, itself replaced my the texts and rubrics published along with Maxima Redemptionis for 1956 and subsequent years.


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Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2025, 06:42:12 AM »
The link is for the 1955 decree Maxima Redemptionis.

Correct, but it says in MR that 1951 was about time changes, and you get the impression from MR itself that it's just about time changes.
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The matter having been maturely considered, the Supreme Pontiff Pius XII, in the year 1951, restored the liturgy of the sacred Easter Vigil, to be celebrated temporarily according to the desire of Ordinaries and as an experiment.

MR states that Pius XII gave them some kind of "mandate", and we have only their word for it ... when we know the revolutionaries had infiltrated the Vatican and had been hard at work.

Bottom line is that there's no evidence in MR or any other docuмent produced by the Congregation that Pope Pius XII gav any specific approval for changes within the Rite or whether they tried to pull the wool over his eyes spinning it to him as consisting almost entirely of the time changes.

Read MR again, and you'll see that there's very little mention of anything other than time changes and the necessary fasting law changes (since few people could fast from midnight for a Thursday evening Mass).

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Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2025, 06:48:20 AM »
Are you saying that the Vigil of Christmas that happens on the morning of Christmas Eve, in violet vestments, is already the Mass of Christmas?

:facepalm:

I'm clearly saying the opposite, that the "Vigil" Mass of the day before Christmas is not Christmas Mass.

You are very confused.  Mass on the day before Christmas isn't actually the Vigil in the same sense as the Easter Vigil, but was merely the Mass for the day before Christmas.  One of the few other "Vigils" that was retained through pre-1955 to compare it to is that of Pentecost.  Rest of them slowly fell into disuse and were no longer true Vigils.

For the last time, the Vigils themselves were NOT the actual Masses of the feast, but, as the name implies, a set of services, consisting of sung Psalms, readings, etc. that went through the night in anticipation of and leading up to the actual Mass of the Feast itself.  That's what the term "vigil" actually means in Latin, a night-watch.  So they stayed up all night in anticipation of the Feast itself.  If today there's a "Mass" on the "Vigil" of Christmas (where the term had just loosely been transferred to mean "the Day Before"), that's just because the Vigil itself felt into disuse and was no longer celebrated as a true Vigil.

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Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2025, 06:49:23 AM »
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