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Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« on: April 13, 2025, 04:01:52 PM »
What is the theology of the Pius XII reforms to the Easter Vigil? Is the Mass to be viewed as the first Mass of the Resurrection or are we still anticipating the Resurrection of Our Lord?

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Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2025, 05:52:45 PM »
Why would that aspect of it have changed?  Being a Vigil, it's transitional into the Feast itself.  During the Easter Vigil itself, there is no Mass.  Now, Easter Mass typically follows close behind it, if the Vigil itself is celebrated near midnight, but they're distinct things.  Even in the pre-Pius XII version, the Vigil itself was held on Holy Saturday morning, followed by the Mass of the Resurrection ... whereupon Trads everywhere greet one another with "Happy Easter" on Holy Saturday, as if Christ had risen on the Second Day, rather than the Third.  Timing of the Easter Vigil was in fact a nonsensical abuse and the Pius XII move back to its proper time was quite welcome.  In fact, if you look at his text introducing the changes, he's referring almost exclusively to the time (and the accompying fasting changes that are necessary if you're going to have evening Masses now, e.g. for Holy Thurday).  I'm not convinced that Pius XII had much of anything to do with the reform of the Rite, since he suffered a catastrophic health collapse in 1954, and many of those around him testified that he was not running things from about that time until the end of his pontificate.  It would be as if Bergoglio in his current state of health were behind some major "reform" of the NO, where you'd know that he had precious little to do with it, given that he can barely function.


Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2025, 06:12:33 PM »
Why would that aspect of it have changed?  Being a Vigil, it's transitional into the Feast itself.  During the Easter Vigil itself, there is no Mass.  Now, Easter Mass typically follows close behind it, if the Vigil itself is celebrated near midnight, but they're distinct things.  Even in the pre-Pius XII version, the Vigil itself was held on Holy Saturday morning, followed by the Mass of the Resurrection ... whereupon Trads everywhere greet one another with "Happy Easter" on Holy Saturday, as if Christ had risen on the Second Day, rather than the Third.  Timing of the Easter Vigil was in fact a nonsensical abuse and the Pius XII move back to its proper time was quite welcome.  In fact, if you look at his text introducing the changes, he's referring almost exclusively to the time (and the accompying fasting changes that are necessary if you're going to have evening Masses now, e.g. for Holy Thurday).  I'm not convinced that Pius XII had much of anything to do with the reform of the Rite, since he suffered a catastrophic health collapse in 1954, and many of those around him testified that he was not running things from about that time until the end of his pontificate.  It would be as if Bergoglio in his current state of health were behind some major "reform" of the NO, where you'd know that he had precious little to do with it, given that he can barely function.

Pope Pius XII initiated changes to the Easter Vigil, on an experimental basis, in 1951.

Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2025, 06:32:51 PM »
Why would that aspect of it have changed?  Being a Vigil, it's transitional into the Feast itself.  During the Easter Vigil itself, there is no Mass.  Now, Easter Mass typically follows close behind it, if the Vigil itself is celebrated near midnight, but they're distinct things.  Even in the pre-Pius XII version, the Vigil itself was held on Holy Saturday morning, followed by the Mass of the Resurrection ... whereupon Trads everywhere greet one another with "Happy Easter" on Holy Saturday, as if Christ had risen on the Second Day, rather than the Third.  Timing of the Easter Vigil was in fact a nonsensical abuse and the Pius XII move back to its proper time was quite welcome.  In fact, if you look at his text introducing the changes, he's referring almost exclusively to the time (and the accompying fasting changes that are necessary if you're going to have evening Masses now, e.g. for Holy Thurday).  I'm not convinced that Pius XII had much of anything to do with the reform of the Rite, since he suffered a catastrophic health collapse in 1954, and many of those around him testified that he was not running things from about that time until the end of his pontificate.  It would be as if Bergoglio in his current state of health were behind some major "reform" of the NO, where you'd know that he had precious little to do with it, given that he can barely function.


Why would the mass portion not be considered part of the vigil? All the other major vigils such as Pentecost, Christmas, and Sts Peter & Paul have a mass that occurs in the morning. 

Either way I'm mostly asking because I can not attend a pre 55 Easter Vigil this year and will instead be going to a Holy Saturday Divine Liturgy in the morning and a Pius XII reformed Vigil in the evening. 

Re: Theology of the reformed Easter Vigil
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2025, 06:54:37 PM »
Another question would be did Pius XII see the reformed Vigil as fulfilling the Sunday obligation if the mass portion began after midnight? What happens is the Vigil ended slightly before midnight? 

It has always seemed to me that on the Easter Vigil we are awaiting the Resurrection of Our Lord and we are celebrating the mysteries of His descent into hades to conquer death and free the old testament saints.