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Offline ElwinRansom1970

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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #65 on: July 16, 2022, 04:25:24 PM »
Quote from: Yeti on July 16, 2022, 08:09:34 AM
Since nearly all trad priests in the Novus Ordo church were ordained by a bishop consecrated in the new rite, or have that new episcopal rite somewhere in their lineage, that makes nearly all of them invalid anyway, even if they themselves were ordained using the traditional words.
I would use the language "doubtfully valid" rather than "invalid" until such time that a restored Magisterium rules on the questionable nature of the 1968 episcopal Ordinale.
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Offline Minnesota

Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #66 on: July 16, 2022, 05:10:27 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on July 16, 2022, 04:25:24 PM
I would use the language "doubtfully valid" rather than "invalid" until such time that a restored Magisterium rules on the questionable nature of the 1968 episcopal Ordinale.
I agree with this sentiment. Especially because as laymen (and please correct me if I'm wrong) with no teaching authority in the Church, I don't know if we're qualified to say whether a rite of the Church is valid or not. Doubts, yes. Not only in the language of the Rite, but how they're presented; not as celebrants of the Holy Sacrifice, but as presiders of an assembly. But to claim it as invalid, I don't know.
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Offline Yeti

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Re: Traditional Powers of the Priesthood absent in novus ordo ordinations
« Reply #67 on: July 16, 2022, 06:23:28 PM »
Quote from: ElwinRansom1970 on July 16, 2022, 04:25:24 PM
I would use the language "doubtfully valid" rather than "invalid" until such time that a restored Magisterium rules on the questionable nature of the 1968 episcopal Ordinale.
Well, since priests who are doubtfully ordained must be avoided as much as priests who are invalidly ordained, there is no difference between the two in the practical order anyway.
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