Author Topic: The story of Samson (Read 1153 times)

spouse of Jesus · « **on:** July 16, 2009, 09:09:11 PM »

I had a protestant Bible and I destroy it. But I know that there was the story of Samson in it. He was a chosen man I think. But I was shocked when I saw that according to the bible, he did so many sins and remained holy and beloved nevertheless!
Is there any explanation for this?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** July 16, 2009, 09:56:35 PM »

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I had a protestant Bible and I destroy it. But I know that there was the story of Samson in it. He was a chosen man I think. But I was shocked when I saw that according to the bible, he did so many sins and remained holy and beloved nevertheless!
Is there any explanation for this?

In the case of Samson, I would look at the price he paid for his way of living.

He gave himself into the power of a woman and told her his secret, and was blinded and enslaved.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #2 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:17:18 PM »

But in Judges chapter 16 verse 1, we see sth worse than that.
I still wonder... he didn't cease to be special to God after breaking the 6th commandment. He was still different from the others. But so many good catholics lead chaste and holy lives and are still ordinary and one of the folk. It is enough for them commit a single mortal sin to lose all the graces and be called an enemy of God.
I am so sorry but the islamic heresy seems so true to me:

"chosen ones are chosen ones even if they sin,
ordinary people are ordinary even if they do good."

Telesphorus · « **Reply #3 on:** July 16, 2009, 10:53:38 PM »

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But in Judges chapter 16 verse 1, we see sth worse than that.
I still wonder... he didn't cease to be special to God after breaking the 6th commandment. He was still different from the others. But so many good catholics lead chaste and holy lives and are still ordinary and one of the folk. It is enough for them commit a single mortal sin to lose all the graces and be called an enemy of God.
I am so sorry but the islamic heresy seems so true to me:

"chosen ones are chosen ones even if they sin,
ordinary people are ordinary even if they do good."

Yes, well remember the story of the Prodigal sun, and the parable of the workers hired late, who received the same wage.

The ancient Jєωs were sometimes wild people. (as are the modern ones of course, though the modern ones are far worse, since they reject the Gospels, and this has changed the side of them that is sometimes hard to accept in the Old Testament into something sinister and diabolical) Christ brought us the Gospels, and show us the true nature of God's Covenant. It was not a carnal promise of an earthly Kingdom.

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** July 17, 2009, 12:18:27 AM »

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But in Judges chapter 16 verse 1, we see sth worse than that.
I still wonder... he didn't cease to be special to God after breaking the 6th commandment. He was still different from the others. But so many good catholics lead chaste and holy lives and are still ordinary and one of the folk. It is enough for them commit a single mortal sin to lose all the graces and be called an enemy of God.
I am so sorry but the islamic heresy seems so true to me:

"chosen ones are chosen ones even if they sin,
ordinary people are ordinary even if they do good."

No, if anyone commits a mortal sin they are an enemy of God.

This or that person might repent, and then it seems like that mortal sin is a small side-track or detour in their life which didn't hurt them. But if they HAD died after committing that sin, they would be in Hell. So in that respect, they are not special.

They were "lucky", as it were. It's best for none of us to try our luck, and hope that we will have lots of time for repentance. Better to be safe than sorry.

It's true that God in His infinite wisdom gives more grace to some than to others -- but He knows best. We know nothing.

Matthew

Telesphorus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 17, 2009, 09:57:35 AM »

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No, if anyone commits a mortal sin they are an enemy of God.

This or that person might repent, and then it seems like that mortal sin is a small side-track or detour in their life which didn't hurt them. But if they HAD died after committing that sin, they would be in Hell. So in that respect, they are not special.

Clearly telling Delilah his secret was a serious sin, which he was punished for. King David sinned to take Bathsheba as a wife. They were sinners, but God had a special plan for them.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #6 on:** July 17, 2009, 03:48:21 PM »

Now which one is better?
being an innocent St. Dominic Savio and ordinary.
or
being a former sinful David/Samson and king/judge.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** July 17, 2009, 04:24:25 PM »

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Now which one is better?
being an innocent St. Dominic Savio and ordinary.
or
being a former sinful David/Samson and king/judge.

In heaven you'll find out.

Obviously, it's better to never sin, don't you think, whether your special or not?

And don't think a saint is "ordinary."

Catholic Samurai · « **Reply #8 on:** July 30, 2009, 10:30:06 PM »

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Now which one is better?
being an innocent St. Dominic Savio and ordinary.
or
being a former sinful David/Samson and king/judge.

It would be wonderful to have not committed a single mortal sin in ones life, like St.Dominic Savio. It is preferable to be an innocent since you would have never offended God mortally. Samson and David may be more famous and appear more glorious than St.Dominic S., but they were obviously not as holy as him, and thus more precious in the eyes of God. Both Samson and David both repented and did penance for their sins; David by losing his sons, and Samson by labouring in a mill, losing his sight, strength, and finally by dying doing the will of God. So dont think that they just sinned and got away with it.

spouse of Jesus · « **Reply #9 on:** July 31, 2009, 01:53:20 AM »

The moto of St. Dominic Savio, was:" Death but not sin". Now suppose he would commit a single mortal sin at 16 and repent the next day, then live to 70 and have priesthood, bishop-ness and many many other gifts and great merits. which one do you think he would prefer, if he had the apportunity to chose between innocence and the life I already desribed?