Send CathInfo's owner Matthew a gift from his Amazon wish list:
https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/25M2B8RERL1UO

Author Topic: The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration  (Read 1616 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration
« on: June 02, 2023, 01:03:45 AM »
This quote of ElwinRansom1970 from this thread: https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/rci-sgg/msg886050/#msg886050 brought to me the idea of a thread on the topic of the nature of episcopal consecration.


Quote from: ElwinRansom1970
Don't ever tell an Eastern bishop that he "receives" jurisdiction as something outside his episcopal dignity. Byzantine ecclesiology does not admit subordination to the Papacy, but rather communion with Peter. Their theology posits that they hold jurisdiction directly from Christ through episcopal ordination. They are not Romans like us, and do not think or behave like us. Same Faith; different theologies.


Does it really mater what the Eastern churches think if many of them went into schism and even reunited after having fallen? Also, how was it that Rome saw that the sanctifying aspect is essential to consecration of a bishop, whereas jurisdiction is potential but needs to be given by canonical mission, whether by implicit or explicit approval of the Roman Pontiff?


Re: The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2023, 02:06:30 AM »
Great topic. 

It doesn't matter what the easterners think, not so much because they are in schism, but because their theology is generally useless. They have a very developed doctrine in the areas of asceticism and mysticism, but since they never enjoyed a Scholastic period their positive theology is pretty lame.

The non-sacramentality of episcopal consecration was the supposition of theologians for more or less the first millennium of the Church. 



Re: The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2023, 07:20:16 AM »
According to the Catechism of the Council of Trent and Saint Thomas' Summa the three Major Orders are Subdeacon, Deacon and Priest. 

Bishop, Archbishop, Cardinal and Pope are parts of the hierarchy of the priesthood.

Offline Ladislaus

  • Supporter
Re: The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2023, 07:33:40 AM »
Great topic.

It doesn't matter what the easterners think, not so much because they are in schism, but because their theology is generally useless. They have a very developed doctrine in the areas of asceticism and mysticism, but since they never enjoyed a Scholastic period their positive theology is pretty lame.

The non-sacramentality of episcopal consecration was the supposition of theologians for more or less the first millennium of the Church.

I think that this is a gross exaggeration.  If you think that Eastern Rite priests, bishops, theologians, etc. do not study St. Thomas and are unacquainted with scholasticism, you'd be mistaken.

Offline Ladislaus

  • Supporter
Re: The Sacramentality of Episcopal Consecration
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2023, 07:38:02 AM »
Even among Western theologians, there is an opinion that bishops receive jurisdiction directly from Christ rather than through the Pope ... even if it's the less common opinion ... not that appointment by the pope (at least tacitly for the Eastern Rites) is not a requirement.  So, the thinking is similar to that about the Pope.  Church/Cardinals/electors select or elect the Pope, but Christ actually confers the authority or jurisdiction.  In the case of bishops, the Pope appoints the Bishop to his diocese, etc., but then Christ confers the jurisdiction directly to him.

As for jurisdiction being distinct from the Orders themselves, for long periods of time the two were never separated.  It wasn't until the consecration of so-called "Chorbishops" or, basically, auxiliary bishops, that you had bishops without jurisdiction in the Church.  In most of the Byzantine-family Eastern Rites, Chorbishops were eventually banned.  Really, one of the biggest reasons to have Chorbishops would be to assist with Confirmations, and in the East priests can confer the Sacrament of Confirmation.  Maronites, Melkites, and others continue to have Chorbishops, who are generally permitted to confer Minor Orders but forbidden (by law) to ordain priests (though ordinations to the priesthood by them would be valid though illicit), but you don't see them on the Byzantine Eastern Rites.

Even the etymology of "episcopus", meaning "overseer", implies the bishop being in charge of something, generally of priests and a diocese.  Some argue that there's a certain amount of authority inherent in the Holy Order itself even for bishops who lack appointment to a diocese or actual jurisdiction.