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Offline Alex117

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The Revelation to Peter
« on: February 17, 2013, 10:57:43 AM »
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  • I'm currently reading the book The Resurrection of the Roman Catholic Church by Griff Ruby (which is by all standards an excellent book), and I came across a portion that I found to be both interesting and questionable. From Chapter 4, The Roman Catholic Church Versus the People of God:

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    When the books of the Bible were being canonized, the criteria of this canonization was not only so much a matter of whether a book was written by this or that person or in this or that time, but whether the book had a good effect on the faith of those who were listening to it being read as part of the Liturgy. Several books which were prominent in the early Church and of indisputable authenticity, such as the Epistle of Barnabas or the Revelation to Peter, were rejected from the canon for that reason.

    An excellent clue to just what happened to these and other rejected books is provided in an ancient docuмent known to the scholastic community as the "Muratorian Fragment" which happens to be the oldest known attempt at producing a list of books for what would come to be known as the New Testament. It lists most of the books of the New Testament as we know it today, and as just one more book it also mentions the Revelation to Peter as being "received by the Church but which some persons would prefer not to have read in Church." Anyone familiar with the contents of the Revelation to Peter would see at once why some persons did not wish it to be read in Church, namely that it contains extremely graphic depictions of the end of the world and Hell, right down to specific details of the tortures of Hell. (Dante's Divine Comedy has since come to serve as a literary equivalent.) Some were understandably concerned that such depictions would unnecessarily frighten small children, while others might have been concerned that repeatedly hearing it read might encourage a puerile and unhealthy interest in them. Even though Peter undeniably wrote the Revelation to Peter, it was excluded from the canon of the Bible because it was decided that readings from it were unsuitable for use in the Mass. Not being used in the Mass, the Revelation to Peter gradually fell into disuse, and is only known in fragmentary form to the scholastic community today.


    I don't know much about the history of the Bible or of the books contained therein, but I was under the impression that the various books that were not included in the Bible weren't chosen because they were fabrications, hoaxes, or otherwise not the inspired word of God. But Mr. Ruby here is saying that a revelation given to Peter, in which Our Lord shows him both heaven and hell and their various rewards and punishments, was excluded from the Bible not because it was a false text, but because it would scare children and was unsuitable reading for the Mass.

    You would think that such an important text, which includes the words and actions of Our Lord, would be kept guarded and safe for centuries, but instead it was left to rot and can only be found in fragmented form today. From what I've found on the Internet, here is what's left of it:

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    THE REVELATION OF PETER


    1 . . . . many of them will be false prophets, and will teach divers ways and doctrines of perdition: but these will become sons of perdition. 3. And then God will come unto my faithful ones who hunger and thirst and are afflicted and purify their souls in this life; and he will judge the sons of lawlessness.

    4. And furthermore the Lord said: Let us go into the mountain: Let us pray.. And going with him, we, the twelve disciples, begged that he would show us one of our brethren, the righteous who are gone forth out of the world, in order that we might see of what manner of form they are, and having taken courage, might also encourage the men who hear us.

    6. And as we prayed, suddenly there appeared two men standing before the Lord towards the East, on whom we were not able to look; 7, for there came forth from their countenance a ray as of the sun, and their raiment was shining, such as eye of man never saw; for no mouth is able to express or heart to conceive the glory with which they were endued, and the beauty of their appearance. 8. And as we looked upon them, we were astounded; for their bodies were whiter than any snow and ruddier than any rose; 9, and the red thereof was mingled with the white, and I am utterly unable to express their beauty; 10, for their hair was curly and bright and seemly both on their face and shoulders, as it were a wreath woven of spikenard and divers-coloured flowers, or like a rainbow in the sky, such was their seemliness.

    11. Seeing therefore their beauty we became astounded at them, since they appeared suddenly. 12. And I approached the Lord and said: Who are these? 13. He saith to me: These are your brethren the righteous, whose forms ye desired to see. 14. And I said to him: And where are all the righteous ones and what is the aeon in which they are and have this glory?

    15. And the Lord showed me a very great country outside of this world, exceeding bright with light, and the air there lighted with the rays of the sun, and the earth itself blooming with unfading flowers and full of spices and plants, fair-flowering and incorruptible and bearing blessed fruit. 16. And so great was the perfume that it was borne thence even unto us. 17. And the dwellers in that place were clad in the raiment of shining angels and their raiment was like unto their country; and angels hovered about them there. 18. And the glory of the dwellers there was equal, and with one voice they sang praises alternately to the Lord God, rejoicing in that place. 19. The Lord saith to us: This is the place of your high-priests, the righteous men.

    20. And over against that place I saw another, squalid, and it was the place of punishment; and those who were punished there and the punishing angels had their raiment dark like the air of the place.

    21. And there were certain there hanging by the tongue: and these were the blasphemers of the way of righteousness; and under them lay fire, burning and punishing them. 22. And there was a great lake, full of flaming mire, in which were certain men that pervert righteousness, and tormenting angels afflicted them.

    23. And there were also others, women, hanged by their hair over that mire that bubbled up: and these were they who adorned themselves for adultery; and the men who mingled with them in the defilement of adultery, were hanging by the feet and their heads in that mire. And I said: I did not believe that I should come into this place.

    24. And I saw the murderers and those who conspired with them, cast into a certain strait place, full of evil snakes, and smitten by those beasts, and thus turning to and fro in that punishment; and worms, as it were clouds of darkness, afflicted them. And the souls of the murdered stood and looked upon the punishment of those murderers and said: O God, thy judgment is just.

    25. And near that place I saw another strait place into which the gore and the filth of those who were being punished ran down and became there as it were a lake: and there sat women having the gore up to their necks, and over against them sat many children who were born to them out of due time, crying; and there came forth from them sparks of fire and smote the women in the eyes: and these were the accursed who conceived and caused abortion.

    26. And other men and women were burning up to the middle and were cast into a dark place and were beaten by evil spirits, and their inwards were eaten by restless worms: and these were they who persecuted the righteous and delivered them up.

    27. And near those there were again women and men gnawing their own lips, and being punished and receiving a red-hot iron in their eyes: and these were they who blasphemed and slandered the way of righteousness.

    28. And over against these again other men and women gnawing their tongues and having flaming fire in their mouths: and these were the false witnesses.

    29. And in a certain other place there were pebbles sharper than swords or any spit, red-hot, and women and men in tattered and filthy raiment rolled about on them in punishment: and these were the rich who trusted in their riches and had no pity for orphans and widows, and despised the commandment of God.

    30. And in another great lake, full of pitch and blood and mire bubbling up, there stood men and women up to their knees: and these were the usurers and those who take interest on interest.

    31. And other men and women were being hurled down from a great cliff and reached the bottom, and again were driven by those who were set over them to climb up upon the cliff, and thence were hurled down again, and had no rest from this punishment: and these were they who defiled their bodies acting as women; and the women who were with them were those who lay with one another as a man with a woman.

    32. And alongside of that cliff there was a place full of much fire, and there stood men who with their own hands had made for themselves carven images instead of God. And alongside of these were other men and women, having rods and striking each other and never ceasing from such punishment.

    33. And others again near them, women and men, burning and turning themselves and roasting: and these were they that leaving the way of God

    FRAGMENTS OF THE APOCALYPSE OF PETER


    1. CLEMENS ALEXANDRINUS, Eclog. 48. For instance, Peter in the Apocalypse says that the children who are born out of due time shall be of the better part: and that these are delivered over to a care-taking angel that they may attain a share of knowledge and gain the better abode [after suffering what they would have suffered if they had been in the body: but the others shall merely obtain salvation as injured beings to whom mercy is shown, and remain without punishment, receiving this as a reward].*

    2. CLEM. ALEX. Eclog. 49. But the milk of the women running down from their breasts and congealing shall engender small flesh eating beasts: and these run up upon them and devour them.

    3. MACARIUS MAGNES, Apocritica iv., 6 cf. 16. The earth, it (sc. the Apoc. of Peter) says, "shall present all men before God at the day of judgment, being itself also to be judged, with the heaven also which encompasses it."

    4. CLEM. ALEX. Eclog. 41. The scripture says that infants that have been exposed are delivered to a care-taking angel, by whom they are educated and so grow up, and they will be, it says, as the faithful of a hundred years old are here.

    5. METHODIUS, Conviv. ii., 6. Whence also we have received in divinely-inspired scriptures that untimely births are delivered to care-taking angels, even if they are the offspring of adultery.


    Can anyone here on CathInfo give me any more information about The Revelation to Peter? Is it truly the writing of St. Peter and was it excluded from the Bible for the reasons Mr. Ruby described?


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    The Revelation to Peter
    « Reply #1 on: February 17, 2013, 11:32:31 AM »
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  • Alex, the difference between the Bible and any other book is that the Bible is the Word of God. God is its author. He inspired some men to write what He wanted to say.
    On the other hand, the apocryphal are books written in the first centuries (there are apocryphal in the OT as well ), but the Church rejected them as not being the Word of God, that is, they were not inspired by the Holy Ghost, and so the Church wanted them to be "hidden" (that is the meaning of apocryphal).
    The fact that they are apocryphal doesn´t mean necessarily that they are heretical. In fact the Church took from one of them the names of the parents of Our Lady.


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    The Revelation to Peter
    « Reply #2 on: February 17, 2013, 11:47:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Cristian
    Alex, the difference between the Bible and any other book is that the Bible is the Word of God. God is its author. He inspired some men to write what He wanted to say.
    On the other hand, the apocryphal are books written in the first centuries (there are apocryphal in the OT as well ), but the Church rejected them as not being the Word of God, that is, they were not inspired by the Holy Ghost, and so the Church wanted them to be "hidden" (that is the meaning of apocryphal).
    The fact that they are apocryphal doesn´t mean necessarily that they are heretical. In fact the Church took from one of them the names of the parents of Our Lady.

    That cleared things up for me mightily. Thank you, Cristian.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 17, 2013, 11:49:04 AM »
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  • Is it heretical to depict the Hell as if it is in the charge of demons? Just look at the text. The revelations given to St. Theresa of Avila and the First Secret of Fatima say otherwise. It was a medieval myth that in Hell demons are tormenting souls.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 17, 2013, 04:35:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pelly
    Is it heretical to depict the Hell as if it is in the charge of demons? Just look at the text. The revelations given to St. Theresa of Avila and the First Secret of Fatima say otherwise. It was a medieval myth that in Hell demons are tormenting souls.


    What?!! is all I can say. The devils are God's jailers and the jailed as well. That demons torture souls is definitely not a medieval myth but true. The First Secret of Fatima confirms that. I don't know where you got this idea that demons don't torture souls!
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    « Reply #5 on: February 18, 2013, 04:39:56 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alex117
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    Alex, the difference between the Bible and any other book is that the Bible is the Word of God. God is its author. He inspired some men to write what He wanted to say.
    On the other hand, the apocryphal are books written in the first centuries (there are apocryphal in the OT as well ), but the Church rejected them as not being the Word of God, that is, they were not inspired by the Holy Ghost, and so the Church wanted them to be "hidden" (that is the meaning of apocryphal).
    The fact that they are apocryphal doesn´t mean necessarily that they are heretical. In fact the Church took from one of them the names of the parents of Our Lady.

    That cleared things up for me mightily. Thank you, Cristian.


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