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The New Divine Innocents
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2015, 03:07:20 PM »
To Holy French stigmatic sweet Marie Julie Jahenny


The Sacred Heart warned another forerunner (of the chastisement) would be when Christians would have no peace amongst themselves and begin to tear each other apart:    “When the time to purify the Earth will be close, when minds revolt one against another, when there will be neither peace nor justice in My Christians, not in the world but in My Christians, the hour of My justice will be close. I will purify the earth of all those impure and unjust souls that insult and outrage Me. I will strike down their bodies with a feature of My Justice so precipitate, so fast, that it will be fast as lightning ... then My anger and My Justice. (...) Never has any punishment happened like this which is close, very close. Never has the world been as corrupt, deceitful, deceptive, greedy, ambitious and wicked. (...) I do not want you to open the depth of these infamous crimes. If you knew the infamous correspondences that are under the influence of Satan. They sell My Holy Church, they sell in secret the head of the priest, the sell in secret the poor earth that they subject to a horrible punishment. It has not seen, it did not understand and today it makes a hellish trade that the world has never seen before take place. All is delivered up, everything is sold and plots being hatched, every day, the hunger for human flesh to devour, the thirst for human blood makes all their bodies seethe with unrest and a desire to reach the goal as soon as possible. All this is happening in the room of hell (Chamber of Deputies, Paris France), under the chairmanship of souls sold to the spirit of evil.” (November 12, 1924)


http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2015/07/marie-julie-jahenny-breton-stigmatist.html

Matthew 24:12

And because iniquity hath abounded, the charity of many shall grow cold.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2015, 04:36:23 PM »
The more devout the NOer, the more truth they let go of as they embrace their errors, including embracing false prophets.





The New Divine Innocents
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2015, 03:03:06 PM »
For the record, I am a Traditional catholic.  But I believe attendance at the NO is acceptable in absence of a Latin Mass.

Excerpt from 1970's Exorcism


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TRADITIONALISTS


Exorcist: In the name...!

Beelzebub:
There are numbers of “traditionalists”, as many lay people as priests, who are full of self-righteousness, who are steeped in a kind of new phariseeism. They say, and sometimes they preach: “We are the good ones, we are the just, the rest are not worth much any more. We will go to Heaven.” That is pretty close to the sects: they say the same thing. Those up there (he points upward) do not like this behavior at all.. They do not love men very much who are righteous in their own eyes.

If, in this book, it has been necessary to speak about the Mass and about the Church, and amongst other things, the Mass of Saint Pius V, that does not mean to say that certain “traditionalists” should exalt themselves above the modernists, as if they were the only ones who know how to make a sound judgment, in a suitable way, and with all the necessary competence. That is not what this book is all about. It is simply intended to expose all the abuses in the Church, such as they exist today.

But, to complete the picture, we must still say this: The priests who say: “It is better for you to stay at home rather than go to such Masses”, are making a mistake. If the Mass is degraded to that point where the priest himself no longer believes in the words of the Consecration, and no longer pronounces the words as they should be pronounced, if he no longer has the intention of consecrating, then the host is not consecrated, it is true... but, for all that, people can still pray in the church.

I have to say this also: they are defrauded of Christ and of the fullness of the graces, it is true, but certain graces are still attached to it. Especially when good Christians, of deep faith, go to Mass and Communion full of devotion, with the intention of receiving Christ, then Heaven is fair enough not to say simply: “Because the priest is not doing things properly, there will be no graces here!” Those people nevertheless do receive certain graces.

E: Do these people fulfill their duty to the Lord?

B: If the people have the opportunity of going to a Mass of Saint Pius V, then Heaven prefers that, very much so. But if there is no other possibility, they may go to another Mass. After the Mass of Saint Pius V in Latin, the Tridentine Mass in the vernacular comes in second place, provided that it comprises the totality of the words of the Tridentine Mass as far as this is possible. Only after these, in third place, comes the New Mass. But those people, if they do not know these things and are of good faith, nevertheless fulfill their duty to the Lord, in so far as that is their intention.

On the other hand, if they know very well that a kilometer further away, they would find a Mass of Saint Pius V, and if they say to themselves: “Bah! That, is too far away for me, I am not going to run over there!”; and if they know very well that that would be better, then we have a different situation. Then, they have lost out enormously through negligence. They should have gone that kilometer. Do you know (in a tearful voice) how far we would go, if we were still able to share in such great graces? Ah! We would travel to the ends of the earth, if we still had a chance! We do not wish to imply by this, that the other Masses are as good. We have already said enough about which Mass Those up there prefer (he points upward).

We have to reveal the error which many priests are making. It is a fundamental error to instill into men that they must not go to any New Mass, that it comes from the devil, etc... That also is throwing the baby away with the bath-water, it is going to the opposite extreme. Never does such a condemnation have any place under the mantle of love of neighbor. In these circuмstances there are modernists who have love of neighbor, who are sometimes better than such “traditionalists” who exalt themselves above others. We are obliged to say that as part of this... and everything we have just said about the Sacraments and other subjects...

And it should also be said that there are many “traditionalists” who are Pharisees.




The book essentially exposes the remarks and gestures made by a possessed woman in Switzerland during 1975‑1978. Speaking through the possessed woman, the demons were forced to tell the truth by Our Lady under the Solemn Church Exorcism, which was witnessed by the following priests who have all expressed their conviction of the authenticity of the revelations made by the demons upon the order of the Blessed Virgin.

1. Abbot Albert‑l`Arx, Niederbuchorten

2. Abbot Arnold Elig, Ramiswil

3. Abbot Ernest Fischer, Missionary, Gossau (St.‑Gall).

4. Rev. Father Pius Gervasi, O.S.B., Disentis

5. Abbot Karl Holdener, Ried

6. Rev. Father Gregoire Meyer, ‑ Trimbach

7. Rev. Father Robert Rinderer, C.P.P.S., Auw

8. Abbot Louis Veillard, Cerneux‑Pequignot

All eight priests are Swiss, except Father E. Fischer, a German. All participated in the exorcisms except Father G. Meyer who was spiritual director of the possessed woman. Two other French priests also participated in the exorcisms.


DECLARATION



Some of the shepherds of the Church who ought to be protectors of the Faith and of the Truth are that no longer. That is why the Blessed Virgin Mary forces Satan -the father of lies - to tell the truth and to teach the pure doctrine of the Church, even while he fulminates against these Warnings. It is a question of waking the shepherds up and bringing about the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, the Mother of the Holy Church.

It must be understood that all these communications should be compared with the authentic doctrine of the Church and with its present situation. But it is certain, here and now, that the contents of this book show the way towards a profound renewal of the Church.

Reverend Father Arnold Renz



DECLARATION

THE UNDERSIGNED, DOCTOR MICHEL MOURET, CHIEF DOCTOR OF THE PSYCHIATRIC DEPARTMENT OF THE LIMOUX HOSPITAL (AUDE), AFTER HAVING EXAMINED MRS. R.B. IN SWITZERLAND, AND HAVING BEEN PRESENT THIS DAY, APRIL 26, 1978, AT AN EXORCISM INVOLVING HER, IN THE PRESENCE OF FOUR PRIESTS, OF A DURATION OF THREE AND A HALF HOURS, DECLARE THAT IN THE TYPE OF MANIFESTATIONS PRESENTED BY THE SUBJECT THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF EITHER A RAVING PSYCHOSIS, NOR OF AN HYSTERICAL PERSONALITY - TWO DIAGNOSES TO BE ELIMINATED IN THIS CASE. BUT HERE WAS EVIDENCE OF MEDIUMISTIC PHENOMENA THAT THE CHURCH IS ACCUSTOMED TO CALL POSSESSION, WHICH IS MORE OR LESS, TRANSITORY.

Dr. Michael Gabriel Mouret

The New Divine Innocents
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2015, 03:08:27 PM »
And Maria Valtorta has strong sponsorship;

His Holiness Pope Pius XlI, February 26 1948:


"Publish this work as it is. there is no need to give an opinion about its origin, whether it be extraordinary or not. Who reads it, will understand."

See also;

http://www.valtorta.org/church_approval_history_reviews_and_critiques.asp


http://www.maria-valtorta.net/



Multiple Bishops and Archbishops (one of whom is a Major Archbishop, Padiyara of Ernakulam, head of the Syro-Malabar rite) have written letters of approval for the Malayalam translation of the Poem. Among them include; Archbishop Gregorous of Trivandrum, Bishop Benjamin of Darjeeling, Bishop D'souza of Pune, Bishop Kundukulam, Bishop Kureethara, and Bishop Soosa of Trivandrum. Bishop Soosa is later promoted to Archbishop by pope John Paul II


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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2015, 03:12:09 PM »
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For the record, I am a Traditional catholic.  But I believe attendance at the NO is acceptable in absence of a Latin Mass.
 


You're another one of the compromisers then.

Thankfully there were enough faithful Catholics who did not compromise back in the early days of the revolution. Just think, if everyone believed like you that the NO is acceptable, there would be no traditional Catholics or TLM today.