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Author Topic: The Necessity Of The Virtue Of Chasity And How To Attain It  (Read 2381 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: The Necessity Of The Virtue Of Chasity And How To Attain It
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2019, 12:12:50 PM »
Now, in the New Religion, they have only TWO days: Ash Wednesday and Good Friday.  And a measly 1 hour fast before communion.  Pathetic.  No wonder they're (Generally speaking; certainly not in all cases) as morally bankrupt as the pagans.  And is anyone surprised that their clergy are ravaged by vice?
And it's worse than that I think. A few years ago after business meeting on Ash Wednesday, I went to lunch with six or seven others that work in my office, most of whom are NOers. I ordered first - fish and chips - and I looked at the rest and said something like - "remember, it's Ash Wednesday so no meat today don't forget" - they all laughed, some even said "screw that!" everyone of them ordered steaks or burgers.

They don't fast, they don't do anything - it's part of their lex orandi.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2019, 12:14:42 PM »
The cassock protects priests, but it doesn't work as magic. He still has to watch himself, be always on his guard around women, etc.
Yessir! You had best believe they still have to watch themself, some more than others.  


Re: The Necessity Of The Virtue Of Chasity And How To Attain It
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2019, 12:19:16 PM »
And it's worse than that I think. A few years ago after business meeting on Ash Wednesday, I went to lunch with six or seven others that work in my office, most of whom are NOers. I ordered first - fish and chips - and I looked at the rest and said something like - "remember, it's Ash Wednesday so no meat today don't forget" - they all laughed, some even said "screw that!" everyone of them ordered steaks or burgers.

They don't fast, they don't do anything - it's part of their lex orandi.

Absolutely.  I worked with a NO guy who, even for the Friday abstinence during lent, thought it was stupid and went ahead and ate sausage, even after I reminded him.  Very few take it seriously.  

Then you have the ignorance to deal with.  Another fellow I worked with at least tried to follow the abstinence rules.  He told someone else "We can't have meat on Fridays, so I guess that means I have to go to KFC".  He apparently didn't realize that chicken qualifies as flesh meat.

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2019, 12:19:50 PM »
And it's worse than that I think. A few years ago after business meeting on Ash Wednesday, I went to lunch with six or seven others that work in my office, most of whom are NOers. I ordered first - fish and chips - and I looked at the rest and said something like - "remember, it's Ash Wednesday so no meat today don't forget" - they all laughed, some even said "screw that!" everyone of them ordered steaks or burgers.

They don't fast, they don't do anything - it's part of their lex orandi.

That's the problem with "rare" anything -- you can't make a habit with an interval of once every 6 months or once every 12 months.
If your "habit" is to go to Mass once a year, you will very quickly round down and go to Mass never. Same with fasting.
Once a year is simply too big a deal; you have no mental process for remembering, no practice doing it, it seems insurmountable and hard.
I have similar stories to tell. A couple female baby boomers went to a Bill Miller Bar-B-Q on Good Friday -- one of them half-heartedly suggested they had fish. Well, they don't. Just chicken, beef, and pork BBQ. They were both over 60, but abstinence applies to all, unless dispensed by a priest. They both ended up ordering and eating there. The older one said, "Oh well, I'm over 65 anyhow." but that didn't apply to the other. And neither one is exempt from abstinence.

Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2019, 03:07:17 PM »
I know of no greater weapon to conquer the vice of impurity than fasting.  All of the fathers recommend this practice in order to quiet concupiscence.  

When people struggle with this vice, they should resort to prayer.  If prayer isn't sufficient, they should add fasting.  

"But this kind is not cast out but by prayer and fasting." [Matthew 17:20]
^^^Very necessary and very true!

Add to that, the surest way to emerge victorious every time is to get into the habit of running from the occasion like a big, fat, yellow coward, make a speedy / instant retreat. It needs to become a reflex and habitual.

St. Philip Neri used to say that; “in this warfare, cowards, that is, they that fly from the occasions, are victorious”. “Concupiscence”, says Pierre Dubois, “is overcome by nothing more easily, than by flight”.

Hence St. Augustine gives the following advice; “To repel the attacks of lust, take flight if you wish to obtain the victory”.