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The Brown Scapular
« on: September 23, 2013, 08:41:21 AM »
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  • I know that a scapular is part of a religious habit. A true scapular is a very large garment.

    Regarding the Brown Scapular that laypeople can be invested in, however, I have a few questions:

    1) What did the first laypeople's Scapular look like?

    2) Is a scapular according to that design still available?

    3) Are there legitimate reasons for variations in the design of the BROWN Scapular?
    (I ask this knowing that there are green ones, etc, that are associated with different devotions)

    Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, pray for us.

    St. Simon Stock, pray for us.

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2013, 10:12:32 PM »
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  • Bump. I'm really interested to know more about Our Lady's Scapular.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    « Reply #2 on: September 23, 2013, 10:37:10 PM »
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  • From Carmelite Devotions and Prayers for Special Feasts of the Liturgical Year, compiled by a Carmelite Tertiary (Milwaukee, WI: The Bruce Publishing Company, 1956):













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    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2013, 11:58:44 PM »
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  • From the late 14th century the brown scapular summed up Carmelite devotion to Mary. The scapular was a part of the Carmelite habit and probably originally served as an apron. There were various legends connected to religious habits in general in medieval times. Apparitions of the founder of the particular order or of Our Lady were frequently involved. It was related that Our Lady had appeared to Simon Stock, the Prior General of the Carmelites, in the year 1251, had taken hold of his scapular and promised that anyone who died wearing this garment would not perish eternally. There is little concrete historical evidence concerning the scapular vision of Simon Stock but there is "a venerable tradition"25 of the Order in its regard. In any case, the symbolism of the scapular as a sign of consecration to Mary, the Mother of Cannel, was and remains very important. Very many people began to wear a miniature version of the scapular. Scapular societies were set up all over Europe and missionaries used the scapular as a catechetical tool wherever they went. The wearing of the scapular

    became so popular that by the end of the 16th century, for example Spain and Portugal were described as one immense Carmel.26

    Many Carmelites through the centuries have written about the scapular. Arnold Bostius (1445-99) said that the wearing of the scapular is a commitment to live the virtues of Mary.27 Mathias of St. John (d. 1681) piled up biblical examples of how God has used material things as instruments of grace. The scapular for him was one such material thing, which God could use for the benefit of humanity. However he insisted that wearing the scapular was no magic talisman. He wrote, "It would be far better to have holiness under a worldly habit than a worldly heart under a holy habit".28

    Through the scapular the Carmelite family desired to share the gifts of God, and in a particular way, the maternal love of Mary, with all those who wished to be included. As Mary clothed her child in swaddling clothes when he was born, so she still takes care of Christ's body, the Church. The scapular is understood to be symbolic clothing signifying the protection of Mary for the one who wears it. A mother helps a child to grow up and so Mary also helps us to become what God knows we can be. A mother teaches her child especially by her example. At Cana she tells us, "Do whatever he tells you" (Jn. 2,5). By looking at her we learn what it means to be a follower of Christ.

    The scapular is a reminder of Mary's commitment to us and our commitment to Mary. It is a reminder of her constant presence in our lives and her interest in us. She really is a Mother and a Sister, leading us and guiding us to Christ her Son in whom we find salvation. She is with us in life and in death. We say to her often, "Pray for us now and at the hour of our death". Pope John Paul wrote in regard to the scapular: "It is a sign of the continual protection of the Most Holy Virgin, not only throughout life but also at the moment of the transition towards the fullness of eternal glory."29

    There are many sons and daughters of earthly mothers who make a big splash on Mother's Day with flowers and chocolates but who cannot be bothered with their mothers throughout the rest of the

    year. Chocolates and flowers are very nice but if there is no regular contact to back them up, their significance gets watered down. Devotion must express itself in some way. If the outward signs of devotion emerge from a real relationship with Our Lady, then they have a deep significance. Jesus heavily criticised the Pharisees because of their outward displays of religion that had no basis in reality. If the outward signs are just a passing emotion, they will have no lasting impact on our lives. We show our devotion to Our Lady by living as she has shown us.

    Wearing the scapular is intended to be an outward reminder of what should be going on within. The danger with any outward sign is that it remain merely outward and therefore the stress today is on the necessity of living what the scapular symbolises. Mary is seen to be the perfect example of what it means to follow Christ. The meaning of the scapular today can perhaps be summed up in one of the prayers over the people at the end of the mass of the Solemnity of Our Lady of Mount Cannel:- "Lord, grant that those who in devotion have put on the habit of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, may put on her virtues also and enjoy her unfailing protection"."

    http://ocarm.org/en/content/ocarm/scapular

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    « Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 12:00:04 AM »
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  • Our topic is the Sabbatine privilege, and we recall that it means prompt delivery from purgatory for wearers of the scapular who fulfill certain conditions, especially on the Saturday after death. We can summarize the Sabbatine privilege in two words: the first is 'devoutly,' which goes back to the original scapular promise, that whoever wears the scapular devoutly will receive the gift of final perseverance. Notice that the key word is devoutly. The second word is Saturday; our English word 'Sabbatine' comes from the Latin word for Saturday 'Sabbatum,' like Sabbath, seventh day of the week. But it is not just plain Saturday, it is our Lady's Saturday.

    We look more closely now at both aspects, first the devout wearing of the scapular, second, Saturday as Mary's day. The Church has always insisted on the full meaning of the scapular as a renewal of our baptismal promises, and thereby an assurance of salvation. To wear the scapular without a sincere Christian commitment would be presuming on God's mercy and an insult to the loving protection of the Mother of Jesus.

    So it came about that certain conditions were stated in order to gain the Sabbatine privilege — these requirements are central aspects of a truly Christian life, the very conditions that make the original scapular promise of salvation realistically meaningful. The three requirements for the Sabbatine privilege are prayer, penance and the chastity of one's state of life. All three are ingredients of a sincere Christian life, and hence of authentic devotion to our Lady.

    The prayer prescribed to gain the Sabbatine privilege is the Little Office of our Lady, which can be substituted for by other prayers. The form of penance originally stipulated was not to eat meat on Wednesday and Saturday as well as Friday. In our day any priest who can give the Scapular — and that is no longer limited to Carmelites — can substitute for abstinence from meat a certain number of prayers, most commonly the five decades of the Rosary every day.

    Now a word about Saturday as our Lady's day. The Sabbatine privilege, as Carmelites have preached it for centuries, has helped greatly to popularize Saturday as our Blessed Mother's day, on which she shows special love to her children who have faithfully worn her scapular.

    Through all her life, beginning with God's first gift of grace, her Immaculate Conception, and culminating in the glory of her Assumption, our Blessed Mother walked the road of faith. Her faith was tested at the Annunciation, in her Son's public life and in the agony of Calvary. From the early Middle Ages Saturday was dedicated to the Mother of Jesus, in remembrance of her steadfast faith, which still burned brightly even in the midst of sorrow as her Son's body lay in the tomb the first Holy Saturday.

    The Sabbatine privilege is a strong reminder that Mary most faithful will keep her promises to us. Our Blessed Mother will stand by us when God calls us at our final hour, and her love will accompany us even beyond the gates of death. Thanks to the brown scapular of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel we pray with special confidence, "Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death."

    Rev. Eamon R. Carroll, O. Carm., S.T.D. Professor of Theology Loyola University of Chicago and Associate Editor

    http://ocarm.org/en/content/ocarm/explanation-sabbatine-privilege


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    « Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 12:21:13 AM »
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  • In its origin as a practical garment, a scapular was a type of work apron, frequently used by monks, consisting of large pieces of cloth front and back joined over the shoulders with strips of cloth. It forms part of the habit of some religious orders including the Brothers of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel, the Carmelites. The first Carmelite hermits who lived on Mount Carmel in the Holy Land in the 12th century are thought to have worn a belted tunic and striped mantle typical of pilgrims; when the Carmelites moved to Europe in the mid 13th century and became a mendicant order of friars they adopted a new habit that included a brown belted tunic, brown scapular, a hood called a capuche, and white mantle.[3]

    According to traditional accounts, the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared at Cambridge to St. Simon Stock, who was Prior General of the Carmelite Order in the middle of the 13th century.[4] The earliest reference to this tradition, dating from the late 14th century, states that "St. Simon was an Englishman, a man of great holiness and devotion, who always in his prayers asked the Virgin to favor his Order with some singular privilege. The Virgin appeared to him holding the Scapular in her hand saying, 'This is for you and yours a privilege; the one who dies in it will be saved.'"[5]

    In the Middle Ages, a habit was a very essential part of the identity of members of religious orders. To remove one's habit was tantamount to leaving the Order.[3] The Carmelite Constitution of 1369 stipulates automatic excommunication for Carmelites who say Mass without a scapular, while the Constitutions of 1324 and 1294 consider it a serious fault to sleep without the scapular.[6]

    According to Hugh Clarke, O.Carm, "The origins of the Scapular devotion are to be found in the desires of lay people during the Middle ages to be closely associated with the Carmelite Order and its spirituality."[7] It was customary for laypeople who belonged to confraternities, sodalities, or third orders affiliated with the religious orders to wear some sign of membership, frequently some part derived from the religious habit such as a cord, cloak or scapular.[8] During part of their history, the lay affiliates of the Carmelites wore the white mantle which the friars wore, or even the full habit.[3] The small brown scapular and Mary's promise of salvation for the wearer, began to be promoted to the laity in the form we are familiar with today by Giovanni Battista Rossi, prior general of the Carmelites from 1564-1578.[9]

    The Carmelite scapular is said to have been very widespread in European countries at the end of the 16th century.[10] In 1600, the Carmelite Egidio Leoindelicato da Sciacca published a book called "Giardino Carmelitano" which includes the formulas of blessing for the Fratelli and Sorelle della Compagnia della Madonna del Carmine (laypeople who received the complete habit of the order) and the formula for the blessing of the scapular for the Devoti della Compagnia Carmelitana. This is the earliest apparent form of blessing for the small scapular. It is also noteworthy that the formula for the sisters contains no reference to the scapular, while in that for the brothers there is a special blessing for the scapular.[11]

    With modern scholarship shedding light on the first centuries of the Carmelite Order, very great difficulty has arisen for the historicity of Our Lady's scapular vision to St. Simon Stock. The first mention of the vision appears in the late 14th century, almost 150 years after the date in 1251 when it is sometimes stated to have occurred,[12] and is not noted in the earliest accounts of St. Simon Stock's life and miracles. The history of the Carmelite habit and legislation and discussion relating to it within the Order during that time span, do not mention nor seem to imply a tradition about the Blessed Virgin giving the Scapular to the Carmelites, nor do the notable Carmelite writers of the 14th century, such as John Baconthorpe, mention the scapular. History even records an instance in 1375 when an English Carmelite named Nicholas Hornby engaged in a public debate with a Dominican friar in which Hornby ridiculed Dominican claims to have received their habit from the Blessed Virgin—this was a claim common to several different orders in the Middle Ages. Hornby showed no sign of being aware of any similar claim that had been made by a fellow English Carmelite in the preceding century.[3][13]

    Amidst confusing evidence, it has been suggested[4] that some other Carmelite than Saint Simon Stock had a mystical vision, the story of which was later associated with him. A Dominican history compiled by Gerard of Frachet in 1259-1260 tells of the 1237 drowning death of a holy Dominican, Blessed Jordan of Saxony, off the coast of Acre, Israel (near Mount Carmel), and mentions "a certain brother of the Order of Carmel" who was tempted to abandon his vocation because God had permitted this to happen to so holy a man; Bl. Jordan was said to have appeared then to the brother in a vision, reassuring him that "all who serve the Lord Jesus Christ to the end will be saved." Gerard concludes: "the brother himself, and the prior of the same Order, brother Simon, a religious and truthful man, have related these things to our friars." This story which bears a notable similarity to the traditional story of the scapular vision and promise of salvation, with obvious differences, is one of very few known references to Saint Simon Stock written during his lifetime.[9]

    It has also been pointed out that in the Middle Ages, careful history of the kind we expect today was an exception to the rule, and it was very common to clothe spiritual and theological beliefs in the form of a story.[13]

    Fr. Kieran Kavanaugh, OCD, writes that "from a scholar's historical point of view, we must admit that there is a lack of docuмentary evidence that would demonstrate irrefutably the truth or historicity of the apparition. At the same time, there exists no cogent reason for denouncing the apparition as false and definitively denying its truth."[14] The Carmelite Order (O.Carm) states on their website that even if the apparition is not historical, "the scapular itself has remained for all Carmelites a sign of Mary's motherly protection and as a personal commitment to follow Jesus in the footsteps of his Mother, the perfect model of all his disciples."[15]

    One reason to believe the apparitions were historical is Our Lady of Mt. Carmel's appearance during the miracle of the sun to the seer Lucia dos Santos.[16] The apparition to Lucia dos Santos is approved by their bishop in Fatima and by the Vatican.[17]

    The earliest form of the Scapular promise states simply that wearers of the brown scapular, the Carmelite habit, will be saved. In the first place this meant Carmelite religious who remained faithful to their vocation. Later the small Brown Scapular became popular with the laity as a sacramental.

    The nature of the spiritual help associated with the Brown Scapular came to be described in greater detail and specificity. A traditional formulation of the Scapular Promise is "Take this Scapular. Whosoever dies wearing it shall not suffer eternal fire. It shall be a sign of salvation, a protection in danger and pledge of peace."[18]

    At times the scapular has been preached as an easy way to heaven, which has led to criticism of the devotion.[19] Devotees of the Brown Scapular have sometimes been accused of straying into superstition. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that sacramentals such as the Brown Scapular "do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church's prayer, they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it."[20]

    Believers in the traditional scapular promise sometimes argue that Mary's intercession either grants conversion, final perseverance, and/or last rites to the wearer, to secure the assurances of the Scapular Promise. Possibly another argument is that the scapular is despised by faithless and godless souls, rejecting the Virgin's promise, and so they come nowhere near to wearing it. Another argument is that in cases of stubborn unrepentant sinners the scapular will somehow, miraculously or not, be taken off the wearer, this was suggested by Saint Claude de la Colombière.[21]

    The 1912 Catholic Encyclopedia states that a list of indulgences, privileges, and indults of the Scapular Confraternity of Mount Carmel was approved on July 4, 1908, by the Congregation of Indulgences.[11]

    A central belief about the Brown Scapular is its signification of the wearer's consecration to Mary. In 1951, Venerable Pope Pius XII wrote in an Apostolic letter to the Carmelites on the 700th anniversary of the vision of St. Simon Stock, that he hoped the Scapular would "be to them a sign of their consecration to the most sacred heart of the Immaculate Virgin."[22]

    One of the beliefs most influential in popularizing the brown scapular devotion was a promise known as the Sabbatine privilege. It was associated with an apocryphal Papal Bull allegedly written in 1322 by Pope John XXII. It states that Pope John XXII had a vision of Our Lady granting that through her special intercession, Mary will come down to personally deliver the souls of Carmelites and Confraternity members out of Purgatory on the first Saturday after their death ("Sabbatine" means Saturday), as long as they fulfill certain conditions including wearing the brown scapular.[23] The Vatican has denied the validity of this docuмent since 1613, but didn't forbade the Carmelites "to preach that the Christian people may piously believe in the help which the souls of brothers and members, who have departed this life in charity, have worn in life the scapular, have ever observed chastity, have recited the Little Hours [of the Blessed Virgin], or, if they cannot read, have observed the fast days of the Church, and have abstained from flesh meat on Wednesdays and Saturdays (except when Christmas falls on such days), may derive after death — especially on Saturdays, the day consecrated by the Church to the Blessed Virgin — through the unceasing intercession of Mary, her pious petitions, her merits, and her special protection."[11] These elements are reflected in older versions of the requirements of enrollment in the Confraternity of the Brown Scapular.[24]

    Today, the Carmelite Orders, while encouraging a belief in Mary's aid and prayerful assistance for their souls beyond death and commending devotion to Mary especially on Saturdays which are dedicated to her, explicitly state in their official catechetical materials that they do not promulgate the Sabbatine privilege, and are at one with official Church teaching on the matter.[25] But the Church didn't condemn anyone who believe in the Sabatine privilege, which belongs in the field of private revelations.

    The scapular must consist of two pieces of brown cloth with one segment hanging on the wearer's chest, and the other hanging on his/her back. These pieces are joined by two straps or strings which overlap each shoulder—hence the word "scapular" (shoulder blade). Images sewn onto the Brown Scapular are unnecessary. In the past the scapular was required to be 100% wool but this is no longer required; the habits of the Carmelite religious are also now typically made of other, less expensive and more durable materials.[13] It is normally worn under the clothes but not pinned to undergarments.

    Because wool deteriorates rapidly in tropical climates, since 1910 those properly invested into a confraternity may wear a properly blessed scapular medal with the depiction of Jesus with his Sacred Heart on one side and Mary on the obverse.[26] However, Pope Saint Pius X expressed his preference for the cloth scapular. Pope Benedict XV has also proclaimed the Church's strong preference for cloth to be worn rather than the medal. This preference is because cloth is important to the sign value of the scapular as a garment, a habit.[13]

    Any Catholic priest may invest a baptised Catholic with the Brown Scapular. Lay people may not bless a Scapular. There is a form of the blessing and investiture in the Book of Blessings which will normally be found in any Catholic parish.[6] The most recent Rite for the Blessing of and Enrollment in the Scapular, approved in 1996 by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, is available in booklet form, the "Catechesis and Ritual for the Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel", published in 2000 and distributed by ICS Publications.[27]

    The short form of the investiture is as follows:

    Receive this Scapular, a sign of your special relationship with Mary, the Mother of Jesus, whom you pledge to imitate. May it be a reminder to you of your dignity as a Christian, in serving others and imitating Mary.
    Wear it as a sign of her protection and of belonging to the Family of Carmel, voluntarily doing the will of God and devoting yourself to building a world true to his plan of community, justice and peace.[25][28]
    According to a 1996 doctrinal statement approved by the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, "Devotion to Our Lady of Mount Carmel is bound to the history and spiritual values of the Order of the Brothers of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel and is expressed through the scapular. Thus, whoever receives the scapular becomes a member of the order and pledges him/herself to live according to its spirituality in accordance with the characteristics of his/her state in life."[29]

    Like the other mendicant orders such as the Franciscans, the Carmelites formed a "Third Order" for lay people (the "First Order" being the friars, the "Second Order" the nuns), either married or single, who wished to participate deeply in the spirituality and charism of the order, but remain in their secular state of life. Those belonging to the Ancient Observance (O.Carm) branch of the Carmelites are today known as Lay Carmelites, those belonging to the Discalced (OCD) branch of the Carmelites are known as Secular Carmelites, members of both branches belong to communities which meet together regularly for prayer and spiritual formation. The small Brown Scapular is the habit of these Carmelite laity, with a larger ceremonial Scapular normally worn outside the clothes at community meetings and official functions.

    There is also a Confraternity of the Brown Scapular. According to the 1996 version of the rite of enrollment, "The scapular confraternity of Carmel is an association of the faithful who strive for the perfection of charity in the world in the spirit of the Carmelite Order, participate in the life of the Order and its spiritual benefits in an intimate communion of thought, ideals, and works together with Mary."[30] In Europe in the past there was often a local Confraternity group which met for fellowship and spiritual formation. Today, at least in North America, those enrolled by a priest into the Confraternity of the Brown Scapular typically have no visible group to belong to, nor is any record kept anymore of people thus enrolled.[13] Some Carmelites such as Fr. Redemptus Valabek, O.Carm, have lamented that there is no longer a central registry of names of people enrolled in the Confraternity, and called for a return to the practice and renewed awareness of the scapular's connection to the Carmelite community and its spirituality.[31][32]

    The current rite of enrolment in the Brown Scapular also permits for persons to be enrolled in the scapular without joining a Confraternity or other group.[33]

    Carmelite scholar Fr. Kieran Kavanaugh, OCD summarizes the Catholic Church's official position about the Brown Scapular thus:

    With regard to the scapular as a conventional and sacred sign, the Church has intervened at various times in history to clarify its meaning, defend it, and confirm the privileges.
    From these Church docuмents there emerges with sufficient clarity the nature and meaning of the Carmelite scapular.
    1. The scapular is a Marian habit or garment.[34] It is both a sign and pledge. A sign of belonging to Mary; a pledge of her motherly protection, not only in this life but after death.
    2. As a sign, it is a conventional sign signifying three elements strictly joined: first, belonging to a religious family particularly devoted to Mary, especially dear to Mary, the Carmelite Order; second, consecration to Mary, devotion to and trust in her Immaculate Heart;[35] third an incitement to become like Mary by imitating her virtues, above all her humility, chastity, and spirit of prayer.
    This is the Church's officially established connection between the sign and that which is signified by the sign.
    No mention is made of the vision of St. Simon Stock or of that of Pope John XXII in relation to the Sabbatine privilege, which promises that one will be released from Purgatory on the first Saturday after death.[14]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_Scapular

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    « Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 09:19:11 AM »
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  • I heard from a priest once that if you visit a church dedicated to Our Lady of Mount Carmel and put on the scapular, no investiture/enrollment is necessary. But I may have misunderstood. Does anyone know something about this?

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    « Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 11:17:36 AM »
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  • Quote from: Stephen Francis
    I know that a scapular is part of a religious habit. A true scapular is a very large garment.

    Regarding the Brown Scapular that laypeople can be invested in, however, I have a few questions:

    1) What did the first laypeople's Scapular look like?

    2) Is a scapular according to that design still available?

    3) Are there legitimate reasons for variations in the design of the BROWN Scapular?
    (I ask this knowing that there are green ones, etc, that are associated with different devotions)

    Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, pray for us.

    St. Simon Stock, pray for us.

    Most Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.


    This is from the Catholic Encyclopedia (1912):

    General ecclesiastical regulations concerning the small scapulars

    The small scapulars consist essentially of two quadrilateral segments of woolen cloth (about two and three-quarter inches long by two inches wide), connected with each other by two strings or bands in such a manner that, when the bands rest on the shoulders, the front segment rests before the breast, while the other hangs down an equal distance at the back. The two segments of cloth need not necessarily be equally large, various scapulars having the segment before the breast of the above dimensions while the segment at the back is much smaller. The material of these two essential parts of the scapular must be of woven wool; the strings or bands may be of any material, and of any one colour. The colour of the segments of woollen cloth depends on the colour of the monastic habit, which it to a certain extent represents, or on the mystery in honour of which it is worn. Here, however, it must be remarked that the so called Brown Scapular of the Carmelites may be black, and that the bands of the Red Scapular of the Passion must be of red wool. On either or both of the woollen segments may be sewn or embroidered becoming representations or other decorations (emblems, names etc.) of a different material. It is only in the case of the Red Scapular that the images are expressly prescribed.


    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13508b.htm


    I've read elsewhere that the Brown Scapular traditionally did not have artwork on it, except sometimes a small cross embroidered on it, usually in a cream color. Adding more elaborate art is apparently a relatively modern development. The scapular is supposed to be essentially a little Carmelite habit.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 25, 2013, 07:19:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jonah
    I heard from a priest once that if you visit a church dedicated to Our Lady of Mount Carmel and put on the scapular, no investiture/enrollment is necessary. But I may have misunderstood. Does anyone know something about this?


    This doesn't sound right: the investiture and blessing performed by the Priest as found in the Roman Ritual is necessary for one to be enrolled in the Confraternity of Our Lady of Mt. Carmel, which is associated with the Carmelite Order. This will enable a Catholic to reap the countless indulgences and participate in the unspeakable spiritual benefits of being associated with the spiritual sons and daughters of the Prophet St. Elias and of St. Teresa of Jesus.
    Please ignore all that I have written regarding sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #9 on: September 25, 2013, 10:57:41 PM »
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  • Quote from: Jonah
    I heard from a priest once that if you visit a church dedicated to Our Lady of Mount Carmel and put on the scapular, no investiture/enrollment is necessary. But I may have misunderstood. Does anyone know something about this?

    That is not correct. But once you are invested in the scapular any other scapular you wear becomes blessed by you putting it on.