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Offline Miseremini

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St Januarius miracle
« on: September 19, 2023, 11:08:50 AM »
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  • "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]


    Offline Seraphina

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #1 on: September 19, 2023, 11:50:12 AM »
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  • That means the year ahead is an auspicious time for setting one’s spiritual house in order, is it not?


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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #2 on: September 19, 2023, 11:52:17 AM »
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  • I think that the blood liquefies most years, but it's when it doesn't that people brace themselves for something bad.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #3 on: September 19, 2023, 01:28:33 PM »
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  • Today in Naples the blood of St. Januarius again liquefied.

    https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/255410/blood-of-st-januarius-completely-liquefied-on-feast-day
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    Thank you! You can always find a news story about it on the internet. I check the interwebs every year to make sure it liquefied on schedule. :cowboy:

    St. Januarius, pray for us!!

    Offline Plenus Venter

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2023, 06:19:06 PM »
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  • It's interesting to note that this miracle continues to take place in the context of the New Church and the New Mass - as do countless other miracles such as the incorrupt bodies of the saints.

    There are those who criticise Bishop Williamson for his promotion of Eucharistic miracles in the Novus Ordo saying that it could not possibly happen because God would be thereby giving His approbation to the modernist changes in the Church. I'm talking here about those who admit the possibility of valid Masses and sacraments in the New Church. Yet in this regard, it would be no different from all of these more ancient miracles that continue to bring souls to God. I understand their difficulty, I understand their reasoning, yet this miracle of St Januarius confronts us: God's ways are not our ways.



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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2023, 07:03:51 PM »
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  • It's interesting to note that this miracle continues to take place in the context of the New Church and the New Mass - as do countless other miracles such as the incorrupt bodies of the saints.

    There are those who criticise Bishop Williamson for his promotion of Eucharistic miracles in the Novus Ordo saying that it could not possibly happen because God would be thereby giving His approbation to the modernist changes in the Church. I'm talking here about those who admit the possibility of valid Masses and sacraments in the New Church. Yet in this regard, it would be no different from all of these more ancient miracles that continue to bring souls to God. I understand their difficulty, I understand their reasoning, yet this miracle of St Januarius confronts us: God's ways are not our ways.
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    St. Januarius was a trad bishop. The miracle of his blood glorifies St. Januarius, and God, not the heretic who is holding the vial of his blood, or the institution that that heretic represents.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2023, 11:05:35 PM »
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  • Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2023, 11:16:17 PM »
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  • It's interesting to note that this miracle continues to take place in the context of the New Church and the New Mass - as do countless other miracles such as the incorrupt bodies of the saints.

    There are those who criticise Bishop Williamson for his promotion of Eucharistic miracles in the Novus Ordo saying that it could not possibly happen because God would be thereby giving His approbation to the modernist changes in the Church. I'm talking here about those who admit the possibility of valid Masses and sacraments in the New Church. Yet in this regard, it would be no different from all of these more ancient miracles that continue to bring souls to God. I understand their difficulty, I understand their reasoning, yet this miracle of St Januarius confronts us: God's ways are not our ways.
    God is doing nothing to promote the new mass, the new church or modernism by allowing the great miracle to occur. 
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

    +RIP 2024


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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #8 on: September 20, 2023, 02:07:20 AM »
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  • God is doing nothing to promote the new mass, the new church or modernism by allowing the great miracle to occur.
    Precisely. How could He? Yet the reality is that this is a genuine miracle occurring in the context of all that. Do not miracles draw souls to the truth? Yet how would it be different, someone who knows nothing about the crisis in the Church, nothing about the Faith perhaps, who witnesses this miracle compared with witnessing a Eucharistic miracle in the same Church? As I said, I'm referring to those (traditional followers of the SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre) who acknowledge that there can be valid NO Masses who use this as an argument against the possibility of Eucharistic miracles in the Conciliar Church. If you want to push that line, you have to come up with an explanation as to how there can be still so many genuine miracles that are not in traditional chapels, but in the churches that are in the possession of the innovators.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #9 on: September 20, 2023, 06:08:58 AM »
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  • And then there was Bergoglio's "half liquidation" in 2015:

    Blood of St Januarius liquefies during Francis's visit to Naples - Catholic Herald



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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2023, 07:49:50 AM »
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  • And then there was Bergoglio's "half liquidation" in 2015:

    Blood of St Januarius liquefies during Francis's visit to Naples - Catholic Herald
    Hmmm... what to make of that?
    But it only stands to reason, right, that God would withdraw some of these graces as a punishment for infidelity and downright malice. To show His displeasure with what is happening in these churches. And surely He does to some extent.
    Yet still we see miracles. It is curious don't you think? Ultimately, I can only conclude "who can know the mind of God?".


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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2023, 08:17:25 AM »
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  • Hmmm... what to make of that?
    But it only stands to reason, right, that God would withdraw some of these graces as a punishment for infidelity and downright malice. To show His displeasure with what is happening in these churches. And surely He does to some extent.
    Yet still we see miracles. It is curious don't you think? Ultimately, I can only conclude "who can know the mind of God?".

    Not at all.  God's greatest chastisement is when He stops correcting us, when He withdraws.  It's like when you have an unruly child whom you try to correct repeatedly, but then at some point give up and say, "he's going to do what he's going to do."  It's according to the old maxim that God chastises those whom He loves.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2023, 08:18:50 AM »
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  • Precisely. How could He? Yet the reality is that this is a genuine miracle occurring in the context of all that. Do not miracles draw souls to the truth? Yet how would it be different, someone who knows nothing about the crisis in the Church, nothing about the Faith perhaps, who witnesses this miracle compared with witnessing a Eucharistic miracle in the same Church? As I said, I'm referring to those (traditional followers of the SSPX and Archbishop Lefebvre) who acknowledge that there can be valid NO Masses who use this as an argument against the possibility of Eucharistic miracles in the Conciliar Church. If you want to push that line, you have to come up with an explanation as to how there can be still so many genuine miracles that are not in traditional chapels, but in the churches that are in the possession of the innovators.

    No, the blood of St. Januarius has nothing whatsoever to do with the NOM.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #13 on: September 20, 2023, 08:59:31 AM »
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  • Precisely. How could He? Yet the reality is that this is a genuine miracle occurring in the context of all that. Do not miracles draw souls to the truth?
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    The blood of St. Januarius is the blood of a truly Catholic bishop, of a saint and martyr. The miracle of his blood is a (apparently) permanent institution that God appears to will to continue indefinitely, maybe until the end of the world. It vindicates St. Januarius and his sanctity and martyrdom, not the person holding the glass vial of his blood. Just because heretics have obtained possession of his blood doesn't mean they are vindicated when it liquefies.

    You might as well claim that if heretics obtain the possession of an incorrupt body of a saint, that the body would have to immediately begin to decay when they get the keys to the church. Or that a eucharistic miracle on display, such as a host that turned to flesh, would have to turn back into the appearance of bread if heretics get possession of it. None of this follows. Those miracles represent, respectively, the sanctity of the saint and the blessed sacrament, not the person possessing them.

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    you have to come up with an explanation as to how there can be still so many genuine miracles that are not in traditional chapels, but in the churches that are in the possession of the innovators.

    No, there aren't. The people who vouch for the authenticity of these things have no credibility.

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    Re: St Januarius miracle
    « Reply #14 on: September 20, 2023, 09:50:25 AM »
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    you have to come up with an explanation as to how there can be still so many genuine miracles that are not in traditional chapels, but in the churches that are in the possession of the innovators.
    Because God is showing the Modernist heretics that, despite all their diabolical efforts, His Church (and Her history, liturgy and Traditions) will never fail nor be overcome.  These miracles are for the benefit of the faithful Trads (many of us on this site) to uphold our Faith.  It is not a benefit for the novus ordo sheep (some of whom will convert in the future, but most of whom don't live the Faith).  


    It is also a benefit for those like Plenus Venter (if he opens his heart to grace), who want to love God in a hybrid way (i.e. Novus Ordo apologizers), in hopes they will see the errors of the novus ordo and reject such 100%.  When the Church finally gets an orthodox pope, who will condemn all the abominations of V2, then people like Plenus will have to choose.  But blessed be those who choose now; you will get more graces doing it now.  Stop with the novus ordo nonsense and be 100% Traditional.