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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #105 on: May 29, 2023, 04:05:33 PM »
You also have to "read the tea leaves".  I can see a case where there is one, lone Trad family member, in a sea of novus ordo-ites and the Trad asks the dying person if they want a Trad priest.  The dying person says "no, I want Fr Bob from down the street."  

At that point, it's a waste of any Trad priest's time (and also a deception, although for good intentions) to call a Trad priest down to a hospital, only for him to get turned away.

Probably what happens more often is the Trad doesn't even ask the dying person if they want a Trad priest (because they know the answer) and calls one anyway.  The result is the same - the priest is turned way.

If there were hundreds of priests in each state of the US, ok, no problem.  They have time.  But calling a Trad priest for an openly anti-Trad or anti-religious person, in this day and age, is a waste of time.  

It's a different story if the dying person is open to conversation; but most aren't.  That's reality.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #106 on: May 29, 2023, 10:18:59 PM »
You also have to "read the tea leaves".  I can see a case where there is one, lone Trad family member, in a sea of novus ordo-ites and the Trad asks the dying person if they want a Trad priest.  The dying person says "no, I want Fr Bob from down the street." 

At that point, it's a waste of any Trad priest's time (and also a deception, although for good intentions) to call a Trad priest down to a hospital, only for him to get turned away.

Probably what happens more often is the Trad doesn't even ask the dying person if they want a Trad priest (because they know the answer) and calls one anyway.  The result is the same - the priest is turned way.

If there were hundreds of priests in each state of the US, ok, no problem.  They have time.  But calling a Trad priest for an openly anti-Trad or anti-religious person, in this day and age, is a waste of time. 

It's a different story if the dying person is open to conversation; but most aren't.  That's reality.
I am not sure that it is right to call a traditional priest in for someone who is not open to having him there...

In the case of my father (the original post of this thread) I asked my parents if they were open to having a traditional priest come and give my father Extreme Unction. I expected them to say no (they have been against my being traditional for years) but felt that it was my duty to at least ask and give them the option.  I don't know what moved them to agree and be open to it but they were.

It was a big deal for them to agree.  So when the SSPX just said to have a novus ordo priest go to them instead I was rather distraught.  Here my parents were finally agreeing to have traditional Sacraments through a traditional priest and the SSPX was denying it to them. 

Everyone sharing their stories has helped me to see that this is becoming more and more of a trend and that the SSPX are becoming less and less dependable for anyone who will not serve and commit to them first above all else. 

For me I will go with Saint Joan and say, "Dieu premier servi!" ("God first served!")





Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #107 on: May 30, 2023, 10:02:10 AM »
I am not sure that it is right to call a traditional priest in for someone who is not open to having him there...

In the case of my father (the original post of this thread) I asked my parents if they were open to having a traditional priest come and give my father Extreme Unction. I expected them to say no (they have been against my being traditional for years) but felt that it was my duty to at least ask and give them the option.  I don't know what moved them to agree and be open to it but they were.

It was a big deal for them to agree.  So when the SSPX just said to have a novus ordo priest go to them instead I was rather distraught.  Here my parents were finally agreeing to have traditional Sacraments through a traditional priest and the SSPX was denying it to them. 

Everyone sharing their stories has helped me to see that this is becoming more and more of a trend and that the SSPX are becoming less and less dependable for anyone who will not serve and commit to them first above all else. 

For me I will go with Saint Joan and say, "Dieu premier servi!" ("God first served!")
But at that point, why should it matter to a Novus Ordo adherent whether a priest offers traditional sacraments or post-Vatican II sacraments?  So far as I am aware, nobody in the Novus Ordo questions the validity or the efficacy of sacraments conferred in the old rites.  The only problem they would have, is with questions as to whether the priest has faculties or not, and in danger of death, even a Novus Ordo adherent should acknowledge that the church supplies faculties regardless.  Is there something I’m missing here?

On the other hand, I suppose it is possible that someone with a weak grasp of sacramental theology could think, oh, no, they’re not supposed to be doing it that way anymore, it’s not legitimate, and could conflate that with sacramental invalidity.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #108 on: May 30, 2023, 12:42:44 PM »
But at that point, why should it matter to a Novus Ordo adherent whether a priest offers traditional sacraments or post-Vatican II sacraments?  So far as I am aware, nobody in the Novus Ordo questions the validity or the efficacy of sacraments conferred in the old rites.  The only problem they would have, is with questions as to whether the priest has faculties or not, and in danger of death, even a Novus Ordo adherent should acknowledge that the church supplies faculties regardless.  Is there something I’m missing here?

On the other hand, I suppose it is possible that someone with a weak grasp of sacramental theology could think, oh, no, they’re not supposed to be doing it that way anymore, it’s not legitimate, and could conflate that with sacramental invalidity.
Dear SimpleMan,

You are missing quite a lot here!  It is called "God's grace upon a soul"!  After many prayers and deeds in this family's life, when it got down to the reality of the gravity of possible death, a Catholic daughter gave her mother and father the best gift she could give to them---true sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church through a true priest of the Roman Catholic Church.  I pray that I will be blessed in that most important way when that time comes for me and my family members.  

Perhaps you have never personally been in the situation of a dear family member's imminent death.  Perhaps all of your family routinely receives the sacraments from a priest ordained by a bishop who definitely, without any positive doubt, has been consecrated in the Latin rite of the Roman Catholic Church and is in the line of Apostolic Succession.  I sincerely hope that is the case.  Please have some compassion for those of us who are not in that situation.  Snarky comments about a person "with a weak grasp of sacramental theology" do not contribute to such a serious matter.

Remember, it is all about the salvation of souls.


Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #109 on: May 30, 2023, 01:41:49 PM »

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Snarky comments about a person "with a weak grasp of sacramental theology" do not contribute to such a serious matter.
He wasn't being snarky; you missed his point.