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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #95 on: May 27, 2023, 10:48:13 PM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 26, 2023, 11:39:12 AM
One professor said to me, "How are we going to convert the Novus Ordo Catholics if we say that the New Mass is a sin?"  This liberalism has always persisted in the SSPX
You had some interesting professors during those years. Where is THAT professor, now??? Unfortunately, that is the human element in any society, but they were certainly undermining the position of the Society of which they were members. Liberals will always be there, it is a question of superiors being vigilant to weed them out before they can do too much damage. As you know, there is a litany of defections from the SSPX from the day of its establishment, to the left of Conciliarism and to the right of Sedevacantism. Which way did you go again???!!!!
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #96 on: May 27, 2023, 11:07:15 PM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 26, 2023, 11:39:12 AM
You seem to have conflated separate issues, the new rites of the sacraments/Mass with the Sede issue. 
You replied to Meg that the issue of re-ordaining priests had nothing to do with Sedevacantism, when she had stated that it was never the policy of ABL and the SSPX to automatically re-ordain priests from the Conciliar Church, and you went on to say it was an issue of doubtful form. Now is it not true, that this is the Sedevacantist position, not Archbishop Lefebvre's position? Of course! That is the point! It is not a question of the form for ABL and the SSPX, but for Sedevacantists it is, as can clearly be seen by what Incred has subsequently posted. Meg was simply expressing our collective frustrations at having our SSPX/Resistance discussions compounded by Sedevacantist theology. 
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Offline trento

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #97 on: May 27, 2023, 11:14:09 PM »
Quote from: Incredulous on May 27, 2023, 11:18:41 AM


Between 2009 and 2012, I learned from direct experience that the SSPX had a discreet policy in place not to provide Sacraments to non SSPX members.

One involved a dying fallen-away Novus ordo gentleman and the other a dying Hispanic lady who was new to Catholic Tradition.

In the latter case, the SSPX priest advised the Catholic lady's friend that if she had not come to the SSPX chapel before her illness, he would not be allowed by his superiors to come to the hospital to give her Last Rites.

Firstly, there is no such thing as lay SSPX or non-SSPX members, unless one is of the Third Order. Secondly, I have personal experience where SSPX priests will go if the sick person himself explicitly requests for a Traditional priest, and not due to the overexaggerated wishes of the sick person's Traditional relatives hoping that sick person will somehow convert to Tradition at his deathbed. I have even first hand knowledge of someone wanting SSPX priests to celebrate the Funeral Mass of their non-Traditional relatives! What is the point in that if the dead person was never in favor of Tradition during his life? You may as well just ask for a mass for the dead said for that particular soul.

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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #98 on: May 27, 2023, 11:15:53 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on May 26, 2023, 01:16:06 PM
Ultimately, the problem with the new-sspx is that it did not update its philosophy on new-rome once all the old, valid, novus ordo priests died.  Now that new-rome is 99% filled with new-rite bishops/priests, the "positive doubt" about such is VERY GREAT.  I don't see how anyone could argue otherwise.

PlenusV, you're making an argument based on decades-old data.  This is why it's faulty.
No, I'm arguing a principle, which does not change with data.
But I agree with you entirely, that over time, the doubts as to validity increase, as clearly expressed in Archbishop Lefebvre's letter to Mr Wilson. Eventually there will be no priests left in the Conciliar Church who were not ordained by newrite doubtful bishops. The presumption must be against validity now more than ever.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #99 on: May 27, 2023, 11:21:31 PM »
Quote from: trento on May 27, 2023, 11:14:09 PM
I have personal experience where SSPX priests will go if the sick person himself explicitly requests for a Traditional priest, and not due to the overexaggerated wishes of the sick person's Traditional relatives hoping that sick person will somehow convert to Tradition at his deathbed. 
Yes, I too. Most SSPX priests I know will give the traditional certainly-valid sacraments to ANY Catholic who asks for them, especially in extremis. What a sad experience Incredulous relates, and God help such priests who have truly lost the understanding of their vocation.
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