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Offline Incredulous

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #90 on: May 27, 2023, 10:41:20 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2023, 12:22:45 PM
I believe that they did as a matter of course, and it was only when an NO priest became stubborn that they might relent (cf. the case of "Father" Stark that was one of the main contributors to the departure of "The Nine").


But way back in 1983, "The (Naughty) Nine" charged the SSPX with failure to administer conditional ordinations to incoming new rite priests.


2. Doubtful Priests
Over the past few years, the Society has accepted the service
of priests ordained by vernacular versions of the New Rite of
Ordination of 1968. On November 30, 1947, Pope Pius XII issued
his Apostolic Constitution Sacramentum Ordinis, dealing with
the matter of the Sacrament of Orders. It was his intention "to
put an end to all controversy," as he said. He did this by, among
other things, decreeing and determining which words in the
form for the ordination of a priest "are essential and therefore
requisite for validity."

The English words of the form in the New Rite of ordination
so differ from the ones Pius XII said were essential for validity
that they introduce a positive doubt as to its validity. In fact the
doubt is not negative, but positive enough even in your own
mind, Your Grace, so as to justify the conditional ordination of
priests ordained in the New Rite.

And so you have in fact conditionally ordained at least two
priests in America: Father Sullivan and Father [. . .]. Indeed, you
even asked Rev. Philip Stark to accept conditional ordination
and he, as you yourself told us, adamantly refused And yet, after
his refusal, you nevertheless allowed and continue to allow him
to work with the Society; and he is not the only doubtfully or-
dained priest that you permit to do so — he is one of many.
Thus under the aegis of the Society, doubtful Masses are be-
ing offered, doubtful absolutions are being given and dying
people are being anointed with an "Extreme Unction" that may
be invalid and of no more value than the anointing with oil done
by a Protestant minister.

How, one must ask before God, can the Society reject the
doubtful sacraments of the new Church only to replace them
with doubtful priests? How grave a sin this is! How false a pre-
tense! Furthermore the Society in the Southwest District has be-
gun to import to the United States priests whose theological
training and manner of ordination are under a similar cloud.

As Your Grace knows, this has been a source of scandal.
The employment of such priests strikes at the heart of one of
the reasons for the Society's existence: to provide unquestionably
valid sacraments for the faithful — for if a positive doubt exists
as to the validity of a priest's ordination, not only are the sacra-
ments he administers doubtful, but the faithful are put into a
position by the Society of choosing between the doubtful sacra-
ments of the new Church and the doubtful priests of the Society.
From the standpoint of Catholic morality this is inadmissible.

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Offline Incredulous

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #91 on: May 27, 2023, 10:47:36 AM »
Quote from: Marulus Fidelis on May 27, 2023, 05:05:05 AM
The Wizard of Oz is actually an allegory for the usurpation of the American monetary system.

Here's a docuмentary about that: https://odysee.com/@TGHeretic:7/Bill-Still_-The-Secret-of-Oz:2


It was about "jurisdiction" too.   ;)



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Offline Incredulous

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #92 on: May 27, 2023, 11:11:00 AM »
Quote from: CathSarto on May 26, 2023, 06:59:05 AM
What needs to be addressed is that there is a strong Opus Dei influence in the Arlington Diocese.  It's usually the conservative, cassock wearing priests who know how to offer the TLM who are members. 

It has come to my attention that two diocesan priests who fit that description recently visited the seminary in Dillwyn. One of whom I know is strongly anti-sspx. I'm sure the seminary warmly welcomed them but it begs the question of what is really going on with these relations when the bishop here is so against the Society and has even labeled them schismatic.

The sspx priests down at the seminary are not from this area, and probably have no idea of the OD influence in this diocese.  Perhaps they have been duped by the conservative appearance and apparent orthodoxy of these priests.  But they need to understand that they will never leave the conciliar church and the novus ordo because of their false sense of obedience to the conciliar hierarchy, especially if they are members of OD. 

You hit upon the sea serpent hiding beneath the waves.

It makes perfect sense that Opus Dei would hold a strong presence in Arlington and DC... the seat of American secular power.

Where the National Cathedral to the Immaculate Conception is domed both inside & out with the judaic six pointed star.



The neo-SSPX's goal to obtain "prelature' from the jew-Pope is a threat to the Opus Dei, which holds enormous power within the schismatic church.
Opus Dei is the only religious order with the prelature privilege.  

Michael Voris's "Church Militant" is Opus Dei funded social media, with the goal of undermining the SSPX threat.

But much more could be said... and should be said about Opus Judei.

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Offline Incredulous

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #93 on: May 27, 2023, 11:18:41 AM »
Quote from: cath4ever on May 23, 2023, 05:37:37 PM
I'm sorry, but traditional Priests can't simply drop whatever they're doing for their own chapel(s) and parishioners to go visit sick or dying people who:

1) aren't their parishioners
2) aren't even traditional
3) aren't in the immediate area

and

4) didn't personally ask for them in the first place.

It would be great if they could visit everybody, but there are roughly 100 SSPX Priests in the United States, and the United States is a very big country.

That might seem harsh, but that's reality. Please give your Priests a break.


Between 2009 and 2012, I learned from direct experience that the SSPX had a discreet policy in place not to provide Sacraments to non SSPX members.

One involved a dying fallen-away Novus ordo gentleman and the other a dying Hispanic lady who was new to Catholic Tradition.

In the latter case, the SSPX priest advised the Catholic lady's friend that if she had not come to the SSPX chapel before her illness, he would not be allowed by his superiors to come to the hospital to give her Last Rites.
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Offline Plenus Venter

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #94 on: May 27, 2023, 10:40:23 PM »
Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 26, 2023, 11:39:12 AM
Plenus, the problem with the SSPX- and it has always persisted- is that there has never been an "official position" on any issue of importance. 
OA, come on! You lost your credibility right there at the very start!
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