Author Topic: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests (Read 12264 times)

DustyActual · « **Reply #70 on:** May 25, 2023, 04:25:30 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2023, 12:22:45 PM

I believe that they did as a matter of course, and it was only when an NO priest became stubborn that they might relent (cf. the case of "Father" Stark that was one of the main contributors to the departure of "The Nine").

I think the reason why Archbishop Lefebvre allowed fr. Stark in the SSPX is because Fr. Stark was most likely ordained by an old rite bishop, albeit with the new rite of ordination; which is less problematic than the new rite of episcopal consecration. Fr. Stark was ordained in 1970 I believe.

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #71 on:** May 25, 2023, 05:56:49 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on May 25, 2023, 12:05:37 AM

What I'm saying is that I am personally aware of several cases from the late 1980s and early 1990s where no "investigation" was done before performing conditional ordinations.

You would have been in the best place to judge, but sometimes an investigation might have simply been the NO priest phoning the seminary, speaking with Bishop Williamson and explaining "Bishop Martin Luther Jr ordained me at the local circus". Response: "Lad, set up the chapel again". It would be interesting to hear BW's explanation. After all, Archbishop Lefebvre made it clear that in cases where there is no doubt, it is a sacrilege to "repeat" the ordination. There is no way that BW ever held the new rite to be automatically invalid. Agree?

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #72 on:** May 25, 2023, 06:33:09 PM »

Quote from: OABrownson1876 on May 25, 2023, 10:48:38 AM

Meg, conditional ordination and consecration has nothing to do with sedevacantism. If Bp. Williamson ordained or consecrated using the new form I would have a grave doubt. The issue is with a questionably defective form.

No, OA, it is not a question of the FORM for the new rite of ordination of priests FOR THE SSPX OF OLD OR THE RESISTANCE. This is everything to do with Sedevacantism! As an ex-seminarian from St Thomas Aquinas Seminary, you ought to know that. Archbishop Lefebvre and the SSPX do not, and have never, held the officially promulgated new rite form of priestly ordination to be invalid. Your doubts are not at all the same as the doubts held by Archbishop Lefebvre or the SSPX of old on this matter.

Plenus Venter · « **Reply #73 on:** May 25, 2023, 06:37:29 PM »

Quote from: AMDGJMJ on May 25, 2023, 06:17:23 AM

Yeah...

Father MacPherson said that they were on good terms with this novus ordo priest, Father Lundberg, and that he offered the Latin Mass at his parish and would use the Old Rite.

Interestingly... The local Bishop has specifically said that any traditional Sacraments like Baptism and Extreme Unction are not allowed for his diocesan priests to do in our diocese.

So, that begs the question... Would he have specifically gone against his bishop or actually have used the novus ordo "Anointing of the Sick" when he went?

I know a lady whose sister went to college with Fr. Lundberg. She says that he is a nice man but that his ordination is definitely not certainly valid.

I have also heard of Fr. Lundberg before... So, as soon as I heard his name I knew who Father MacPherson was talking about and flatly refused to have him visit my father.

I told Father MacPherson we could just talk to Father Gee if we wanted to go that route since he had been my father's parish priest before he stopped going. Apparently Father MacPherson didn't like that... Father Gee causes too much tension for the SSPX. 😅

This Fr Lundberg, here, delegated to implement the policies of Traditionis Custodes??? Oh dear!

Arlington diocese delegate: Fr. Bjorn Lundberg - The Sacred: Catholic Liturgy, Chant, Prayers - Catholic Info (cathinfo.com)

SimpleMan · « **Reply #74 on:** May 25, 2023, 07:12:25 PM »

Quote from: Mr G on May 25, 2023, 12:26:18 PM

It is the place that you can probably easily guess.

Did Dorothy tell Toto we're not there anymore?

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