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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #55 on: May 25, 2023, 06:05:57 AM »
Fr. Jahir of the FBMV (aligned with the Resistance in Brazil) was also not conditionally ordained even though he was ordained in the New Rite. I don't know why is this an issue now brought up by certain factions in the Resistance when the Resistance has not been consistent on this matter themselves. As far as I personally know, conditional ordinations were still done by in the SSPX in the mid 2000s.
The monastery of Fr Jahir was aligned with the SSPX in pre-Resistance times. I don't know the story of Fr Jahir's ordination.
But of course, Archbishop Lefebvre considered the new rite of priestly ordination valid in itself.
Doubts as to validity arose because of vernacular translations, adaptations, revolutionising the theology of the priesthood etc, such that it became increasingly difficult over time to remove that doubt. Hence, a readiness on the part of the old SSPX to conditionally ordain. One can see clearly from ABL's 'letter to Mr Wilson' what his position was.
The problem with the SSPX now is that it seems to be increasingly favouring validity, even presuming validity. I have encountered this attitude myself with SSPX priests on more than one occasion. A simple blanket statement 'they're valid priests'. Period!
I don't think there is inconsistency in the Resistance, but rather a real quasi-official change of attitude/position in the SSPX.

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #56 on: May 25, 2023, 06:08:18 AM »
Update: Not only did the SSPX suggest a novus ordo priest but when I refused to arrange for the novus ordo priest to visit my father the SSPX apparently decided that they would contact him anyways without our asking or my father agreeing to it.  :facepalm:

He was two days late.  Father Waters had already been there and my father was already doing better.  I wonder what he thought of that and if he reported it back to the SSPX...  :popcorn:I 
What??? Was it a case of they knew this priest really well, knew for certain his ordination was valid, and knew he used the old rite and valid oils for Confirmation??? Not likely. I am just so disappointed hearing this coming from Fr MacPherson...


Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #57 on: May 25, 2023, 06:17:23 AM »
What??? Was it a case of they knew this priest really well, knew for certain his ordination was valid, and knew he used the old rite and valid oils for Confirmation??? Not likely. I am just so disappointed hearing this coming from Fr MacPherson...
Yeah...  :facepalm:

Father MacPherson said that they were on good terms with this novus ordo priest, Father Lundberg, and that he offered the Latin Mass at his parish and would use the Old Rite.

Interestingly...  The local Bishop has specifically said that any traditional Sacraments like Baptism and Extreme Unction are not allowed for his diocesan priests to do in our diocese.

So, that begs the question...  Would he have specifically gone against his bishop or actually have used the novus ordo "Anointing of the Sick" when he went?

I know a lady whose sister went to college with Fr. Lundberg.  She says that he is a nice man but that his ordination is definitely not certainly valid.

I have also heard of Fr. Lundberg before...  So, as soon as I heard his name I knew who Father MacPherson was talking about and flatly refused to have him visit my father. 

I told Father MacPherson we could just talk to Father Gee if we wanted to go that route since he had been my father's parish priest before he stopped going.  Apparently Father MacPherson didn't like that...  Father Gee causes too much tension for the SSPX.  😅




Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #58 on: May 25, 2023, 06:23:44 AM »
Yeah...  :facepalm:

Father MacPherson said that they were on good terms with this novus ordo priest, Father Lundberg, and that he offered the Latin Mass at his parish and would use the Old Rite.
 
Interestingly...  The local Bishop has specifically said that any traditional Sacraments like Baptism and Extreme Unction are not allowed for his diocesan priests to do in our diocese.
 
So, that begs the question...  Would he have specifically gone against his bishop or actually have used the novus ordo "Anointing of the Sick" when he went?

I know a lady whose sister went to college with Fr. Lundberg.  She says that he is a nice man but that his ordination is definitely not certainly valid.
Thanks for the update. Really sad to hear the way our beloved SSPX is heading. I hope your Father is doing better.
I was a bit distracted when I wrote my posts above. With the old SSPX (and the Resistance) the presumption with new orders was against validity until all doubt removed by investigation. With the neo-SSPX there are just too many examples showing that the presumption is now in favour of validity...

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #59 on: May 25, 2023, 06:23:55 AM »
Yeah...  :facepalm:

Father MacPherson said that they were on good terms with this novus ordo priest, Father Lundberg, and that he offered the Latin Mass at his parish and would use the Old Rite.
 
Interestingly...  The local Bishop has specifically said that any traditional Sacraments like Baptism and Extreme Unction are not allowed for his diocesan priests to do in our diocese.
 
So, that begs the question...  Would he have specifically gone against his bishop or actually have used the novus ordo "Anointing of the Sick" when he went?

I know a lady whose sister went to college with Fr. Lundberg.  She says that he is a nice man but that his ordination is definitely not certainly valid.
Fr. Lundberg has Opus Dei connections. The SSPX are on good terms with the priests who are leading the charge against the SSPX in the diocese of Arlington? These priests who are supposedly "obedient" to their bishop? I'm not sure what is going on here but it doesn't sit well with me.