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Offline Meg

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2023, 04:21:58 PM »
Quote from: CathSarto on May 24, 2023, 03:56:25 PM
ABL absolutely had doubts about the validity of the NO sacraments.  It is one of the main reasons for the crisis in the Church.  It seems like people like yourself and the neo-sspx are the one's who are trying to rewrite history.

This new policy is not how the sspx originally operated.  The more they try to gloss over the problems in the novus ordo church, the more it undermines their reason for being.  No crisis = no state of necessity. 

Can you cite where +ABL said that the NO sacraments are invalid, and that the policy of the SSPX is to presume that they are invalid?


+ABL started the SSPX so that Tradition can be saved and maintained - until such a time as it was wanted again. His job was to train up priests in the Old Mass, as well as form them in sound doctrine, and to stand up for Tradition in the face of Modernism. This is something that the sedevacantists can't tolerate, so +ABL must be reformed into something that he wasn't. And trads are generally gullible enough to fall for it. 
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2023, 03:47:10 PM
Each case of a NO priest coming to them to join them is investigated. They are not automatically re-ordained. Never have been.

I know this to be untrue, as I was at the seminary when various NO priests arrived to receive conditional ordination simply by their request.  There was no investigation.  One priest said he had no doubts about his orders but said he wanted to get conditionally ordained to put the faithful at his chapel at ease (since many of them did have doubts).  No investigation was done for those cases about which I have first-hand knowledge from my time at STAS.
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Offline Meg

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #42 on: May 24, 2023, 04:29:35 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on May 24, 2023, 04:28:13 PM
I know this to be untrue, as I was at the seminary when various NO priests arrived to receive conditional ordination simply by their request.  There was no investigation.  One priest said he had no doubts about his orders but said he wanted to get conditionally ordained to put the faithful at his chapel at ease (since many of them did have doubts).  No investigation was done for those cases about which I have first-hand knowledge from my time at STAS.

Okay, how does that change the subject at hand? It has never been the policy of the SSPX to automatically re-ordain Novus Ordo priests.

It really is futile to try to talk sense to sedevacantists. I give up. The SSPX will, however, likely outlast any of the sedevacantist groups. The SSPX has many faults, but extremism isn't one of them. That's why they are likely to survive (provided they don't reconcile with Rome).

And the Resistance is likely to split after +W goes to his eternal reward, so I place no hope in them at all anymore.
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Offline Angelus

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #43 on: May 24, 2023, 04:51:01 PM »
Quote from: Meg on May 24, 2023, 04:21:58 PM
Can you cite where +ABL said that the NO sacraments are invalid, and that the policy of the SSPX is to presume that they are invalid?


+ABL started the SSPX so that Tradition can be saved and maintained - until such a time as it was wanted again. His job was to train up priests in the Old Mass, as well as form them in sound doctrine, and to stand up for Tradition in the face of Modernism. This is something that the sedevacantists can't tolerate, so +ABL must be reformed into something that he wasn't. And trads are generally gullible enough to fall for it.

So, if we assume your narrative is true, why did Lefebvre insist on ordaining all of his priests using the Old Rite of Priestly Ordination and why did he use the the Old Rite of Episcopal Consecration in 1988? In fact, why does the SSPX, to do this day, continue to do this?

Isn't the main principle of R&R to go along with the Pope on all things that do not harm the faith or morals? If the new Holy Orders were perfectly fine, why then did not Lefebvre embrace those Rites in the ordinations that he performed? Wouldn't it be at least highly probable that he had some doubts about the VALIDITY of those "orders." Why else would he go against apparent wishes of the Pope and the practice of the entire Catholic Church after 1968?
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Offline josefamenendez

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #44 on: May 24, 2023, 06:47:52 PM »
The SSPX priests defer to the Novus Ordo and will not step on any feet and cross NO jurisdictional boundaries, as if the "anointing" by the doubtfully ordained NO priest is an acceptable replacement or something. Not the same SSPX I used to know.
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