Dear AMDGJMJ
Thank God for Fr. Waters!  He sounds like Fr. James Haynos, ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre, whose sole mission is the salvation of souls.  He visited an older novus ordo couple on his way back to his priory monthly until he was transferred.  Because of the declining health status of the husband, Fr made sure to administer the sacrament of Extreme Unction for him.  The man died shortly after Fr. Haynos left his assignment.  Another man had fallen away from the Church and was very near death.  Fr. Haynos stayed nearby for three days bringing him back to the Faith.  That man received all the sacraments before his death. The joy we could see on Fr.'s face telling us about it showed why he persevered. Being in the presence of a holy priest who is a true missionary of Our Lord is humbling.  We thank God for giving us the many blessings we received learning about our Roman Catholic Faith, and learning what the life of a happy Roman Catholic priest really is like.

Caring for and taking care of your parents at the end of their lives is a true blessing.  It can be very stressful, very tiring, but it is a unique opportunity to care for them just a little while the way they care for their children for a lifetime.  God bless you and your family--still praying!

What a beautiful story!  We need more priests like this who truly put God and the salvation of souls first!  Thank you so much for sharing!  😇

Good to know that sedevacantist priests are willing to give last rites to anyone. I wasn't aware of that.

Why does the SSPX have to assess the validity of the ordination of a novus ordo priest who isn't affiliated with them at all, in regards to the said novus ordo priest giving last rites to someone who isn't a traditionalist, and who didn't ask for a traditional priest?  Is that really their job?

Oh, my goodness...  Really? 🤦

I thumbed up you for the first paragraph but then I read the second paragraph afterwards...

My parents were actually making an effort by giving their consent to have a traditional Catholic priest when for years they would have not normally had anything to do with a traditional priest. That itself was a great grace from God in my opinion.  So...  Do you think they would be encouraged to be traditional by then being told, "Oh...  Well, the SSPX say just to use a local novus ordo priest."

It would have been better if the SSPX had just said, "No we can't help you.  Find someone else." But instead they suggested to bring in a local novus ordo priest.  This seems to indicate that they really no longer question novus ordo ordinations at all.  That was the point that I was trying to make.

Oh, my goodness...  Really? 🤦

I thumbed up you for the first paragraph but then I read the second paragraph afterwards...

My parents were actually making an effort by giving their consent to have a traditional Catholic priest when for years they would have not normally had anything to do with a traditional priest. That itself was a great grace from God in my opinion.  So...  Do you think they would be encouraged to be traditional by then being told, "Oh...  Well, the SSPX say just to use a local novus ordo priest."

It would have been better if the SSPX had just said, "No we can't help you.  Find someone else." But instead they suggested to bring in a local novus ordo priest.  This seems to indicate that they really no longer question novus ordo ordinations at all.  That was the point that I was trying to make.

And if the SSPX would have said to just find someone else, then you wouldn't have complained about them? The SSPX have never considered NO sacraments to be invalid.

They do, however, have to make a decision when a novus ordo priest wants to join them - they have to assess as to whether or not the NO ordination was valid. But this is because the NO priest came to them and wanted to join them. Do you see the difference between your situation and the situation with NO priests coming to them to join them?

As far as I know, the SSPX do not get involved with non-SSPX laity who want or need last rites. I suppose you think that's a horrible thing, but it makes sense to me.

So many people want to re-invent the history of the SSPX, especially the ralliers (who want to reconcile with Rome) and the sedevacantists. The thing is, no matter how much flack the SSPX gets from the left and the right, it will likely still exist when we have all gone to our eternal reward.

Well, we have Archbishop Lefebvre writing at one point that nearly all NO Sacraments can be presumed doubtful.  So the position of SSPX has clearly loosened regarding the validity of NO Sacraments.  Sean has a lot of evidence to back that up.

Well, Archbishop Lefebvre said a lot of things that didn't actually become a policy of the SSPX. The SSPX doesn't presume that the NO sacraments are doubtful. Why should they? They don't have anything to do with the NO. 

Each case of a NO priest coming to them to join them is investigated. They are not automatically re-ordained. Never have been. 

Oh, my goodness...  Really? 🤦

I thumbed up you for the first paragraph but then I read the second paragraph afterwards...

My parents were actually making an effort by giving their consent to have a traditional Catholic priest when for years they would have not normally had anything to do with a traditional priest. That itself was a great grace from God in my opinion.  So...  Do you think they would be encouraged to be traditional by then being told, "Oh...  Well, the SSPX say just to use a local novus ordo priest."

It would have been better if the SSPX had just said, "No we can't help you.  Find someone else." But instead they suggested to bring in a local novus ordo priest.  This seems to indicate that they really no longer question novus ordo ordinations at all.  That was the point that I was trying to make.

Exactly! What a scandal.

ABL absolutely had doubts about the validity of the NO sacraments.  It is one of the main reasons for the crisis in the Church.  It seems like people like yourself and the neo-sspx are the one's who are trying to rewrite history.

This new policy is not how the sspx originally operated.  The more they try to gloss over the problems in the novus ordo church, the more it undermines their reason for being.  No crisis = no state of necessity. 

Can you cite where +ABL said that the NO sacraments are invalid, and that the policy of the SSPX is to presume that they are invalid?


+ABL started the SSPX so that Tradition can be saved and maintained - until such a time as it was wanted again. His job was to train up priests in the Old Mass, as well as form them in sound doctrine, and to stand up for Tradition in the face of Modernism. This is something that the sedevacantists can't tolerate, so +ABL must be reformed into something that he wasn't. And trads are generally gullible enough to fall for it. 

I know this to be untrue, as I was at the seminary when various NO priests arrived to receive conditional ordination simply by their request.  There was no investigation.  One priest said he had no doubts about his orders but said he wanted to get conditionally ordained to put the faithful at his chapel at ease (since many of them did have doubts).  No investigation was done for those cases about which I have first-hand knowledge from my time at STAS.

Okay, how does that change the subject at hand? It has never been the policy of the SSPX to automatically re-ordain Novus Ordo priests.

It really is futile to try to talk sense to sedevacantists. I give up. The SSPX will, however, likely outlast any of the sedevacantist groups. The SSPX has many faults, but extremism isn't one of them. That's why they are likely to survive (provided they don't reconcile with Rome).

And the Resistance is likely to split after +W goes to his eternal reward, so I place no hope in them at all anymore.

The SSPX priests defer to the Novus Ordo and will not step on any feet and cross NO jurisdictional boundaries, as if the "anointing" by the doubtfully ordained NO priest is an acceptable replacement or something. Not the same SSPX I used to know.