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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #115 on: May 31, 2023, 11:25:28 AM »
But at that point, why should it matter to a Novus Ordo adherent whether a priest offers traditional sacraments or post-Vatican II sacraments?  So far as I am aware, nobody in the Novus Ordo questions the validity or the efficacy of sacraments conferred in the old rites.  The only problem they would have, is with questions as to whether the priest has faculties or not, and in danger of death, even a Novus Ordo adherent should acknowledge that the church supplies faculties regardless.  Is there something I’m missing here?

On the other hand, I suppose it is possible that someone with a weak grasp of sacramental theology could think, oh, no, they’re not supposed to be doing it that way anymore, it’s not legitimate, and could conflate that with sacramental invalidity.
Good points.  In general I agree with you about people who go to the novus ordo.  My family fall along more of the exceptional case you mentioned on the bottom. 

They are super conservative novus ordo Catholics.  So, I think that is why my becoming traditional has been hard for them to understand.  They basically think that being traditional is similar to a being part of a Protestant split-off from the Church.

I don't think that they question the validity of our priests, just as they don't question the validity of the Eastern Orthodox.  In their minds it is more about the "unlawfulness" of being against and/or split from the "Pope".  Though at the same time they themselves are traditional enough to say "We are more Catholic than the Pope".  

When my husband and I got married we didn't know until about a month or two before our wedding if any of my family would be there because in their minds we were being married "outside the Church".  They ended up getting a "dispensation" from their Bishop.  If was a crazy mess but in the end God helped everything to go smoother than we could have expected.

All of that being said...  With there being local novus ordo priests in the area and my family's past qualms about having anything to do with traditional priests.  I figured that they would probably refuse to see a traditional Catholic priest for Extreme Unction and in that case I figured that it would have not been right to ask a traditional priest to visit.  That was all I meant.  😅



Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #116 on: May 31, 2023, 03:48:59 PM »
Does your dad plan to be buried or cremation?  If cremation, then trad priest will not give extreme unction.


Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #117 on: June 01, 2023, 06:13:42 AM »
Does your dad plan to be buried or cremation?  If cremation, then trad priest will not give extreme unction.
My parents are against cremation.  I know this because they were very disturbed when my grandmother died and was cremated and they were talking about making sure to put in their will that they did not want this.  They are as conservative as you can be in the novus ordo without being full traditional Catholics.  

My mother even wears dresses or skirts all the time.  Which is more than many traditional women do from the SSPX...  

I pray to God that they may make the final jump one day and become traditional all the way.:pray:

Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #118 on: June 01, 2023, 10:31:11 AM »
My parents are against cremation.  I know this because they were very disturbed when my grandmother died and was cremated and they were talking about making sure to put in their will that they did not want this.  

A comment from the former dairy farmer now working at a funeral home ...

The term "will" is sometimes used generically to include "final wishes", but the docuмent "last will and testament" is almost never read or referenced until several days, or even weeks, after the funeral.  It is not the place to record one's funeral wishes.

The best way to be sure that one's death care wishes are properly carried out is to preplan your arrangements at the funeral home of one's choice and pay for it.  Most funeral homes have a means (typically a life insurance policy or a trust account) to accept preneed payments over time (interest free).  Once the arrangements one has selected (service package, casket, incidentals) have been fully paid for usually their cost is frozen at that point in time.  The same should be done for cemetery property, the opening and closing, and the marker.  These set aside assets are shielded from the spend down requirement if one has to use medicaid (not to be confused with medicare) in their final years.

If one's final care is not prearranged, then state law (of which there can be 50 different variations) determines who gets to make the decisions, because these things need to be dealt with in a timely manner.  Often a "power of attorney" docuмent or guardianship expires on the death of the person who granted the "power of attorney" to someone.  In WA where I live it is possible sign a docuмent designating a specific individual or individuals to have the authority to make someone's final arrangements which supersedes the authority of relatives designated by state law.  That person needs to agree to accept the responsibility, and the matter of funding needs to be determined.

A final matter to consider:  People sometimes die while traveling, or an elderly parent may move to be closer to one of their adult children but when the time comes they want to be taken "back home" to be buried next to their spouse.  Flying casketed remains across the country is expensive, and this is when cremation is sometimes chosen, though that would not have been the preferred choice.  I believe that there are insurance policies that can cover the extra cost of transporting someone back home if they die while traveling, the funeral home where the pre-arrangements are made would know.  Otherwise, if someone moves away from where they wish to be buried when the time comes, that extra cost needs to be provided for.  We had a case once where a gentleman died back east (Virginia I think) and his funeral and burial were to be in eastern WA.  He was embalmed but no final prep and dressing yet, and in a combo air tray (a cardboard shipping container for human remains not in a casket).  His daughter and son-in-law drove him cross country nonstop in a u-haul van.  The daughter had been a deputy coroner, so she was comfortable with it all and knew what to do.  An important aspect is to have the proper paperwork completed and traveling with the deceased, it is usually frowned upon to be driving around with a dead body and not have paperwork.

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Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« Reply #119 on: June 01, 2023, 12:29:42 PM »
You had some interesting professors during those years. Where is THAT professor, now??? Unfortunately, that is the human element in any society, but they were certainly undermining the position of the Society of which they were members. Liberals will always be there, it is a question of superiors being vigilant to weed them out before they can do too much damage. As you know, there is a litany of defections from the SSPX from the day of its establishment, to the left of Conciliarism and to the right of Sedevacantism. Which way did you go again???!!!!
I had two professors actually tell me not to say that the NO Mass is a sacrilege.  One left the SSPX and the other is still there.