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SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
« on: May 23, 2023, 09:42:43 AM »
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  • Has anyone ever called the SSPX asking for a priest to come to give someone Extreme Unction and they instead recommended a local novus ordo priest?

    This just happened yesterday in the case of my calling the SSPX VA Seminary asking for a priest to come to see my father in the hospital.

    I knew that they had been getting more friendly with the local novus ordo priests but this blew my mind.
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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #1 on: May 23, 2023, 09:50:05 AM »
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  • Have your father contact them directly and ask them to come. That way they will know he actually wants to see them.


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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #2 on: May 23, 2023, 10:05:01 AM »
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  • Has anyone ever called the SSPX asking for a priest to come to give someone Extreme Unction and they instead recommended a local novus ordo priest?

    This just happened yesterday in the case of my calling the SSPX VA Seminary asking for a priest to come to see my father in the hospital.

    I knew that they had been getting more friendly with the local novus ordo priests but this blew my mind.
    Does your father normally attend the Mass at the Seminary?

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #3 on: May 23, 2023, 11:48:44 AM »
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  • Fr. MacPherson is officially the "pastor" of the Seminary congregation, and handles the typical pastoral work the faithful need him to do, which would include sick calls.

    I think his phone number might be on the front of the Seminary bulletin.

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #4 on: May 23, 2023, 11:57:09 AM »
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  • Father MacPherson was the one I talked to. 

    He basically was saying in danger of death just use a novus ordo priest if he is closer.

    I found this online as the official SSPX opinion of whether you can go to confession to a novus ordo priest:

    "Can a traditional Catholic go to confession to a Novus Ordo priest?

    It would certainly be valid to go to confession to a priest who still celebrates the Novus Ordo Mass, provided that the penitent were assured of the doctrinal orthodoxy of the priest, his intention of doing what the Church does, and his use of the correct formula of absolution. It would furthermore be permissible in a state of necessity, such as when a person is dying and no traditional priest can be found.

    However, it is not easy to have the assurance of a valid absolution, given the fact that the post-Conciliar Church consistently downgrades the reality and gravity of mortal sin, the benefits of confessing venial sins, the graces to be obtained from frequent confession, and the necessity of doing penance. Very often souls who have felt the urgent need to go to a Novus Ordo priest have come to me afterwards in confession, doubting the validity of their confession to this priest, on account of his trivializing of their sins.

    Furthermore, I do not hesitate to strongly recommend against going to confession to such a priest, even when there is an assurance of a valid absolution. A penitent does not go to confession simply to receive the absolution of his sins. He has the desire to receive all the effects of the sacrament, including the direction, and if need be reprimand of the confessor, growth in the love of God and in sanctifying grace, a firmer purpose of amendment and the satisfaction of the temporal punishment due to his sins. All this is only possible if he sees in the confessor a judge, a teacher, and a physician. It is to guarantee these full effects of the sacrament of Penance that the Church supplies jurisdiction so that the faithful can ask any priest to hear their confessions, for any just reason (canon 2261, §2, 1917 Code and canon 1335 of the 1983 Code).

    Manifestly it is not possible to have confidence in the guidance of a priest who compromises with modernism by celebrating the New Mass, even if he otherwise appears orthodox. Neither his judgment as to the reality of our contrition, nor his instruction as to the gravity of our sins, nor his remedies for the ills of our sins can be depended upon. The supernatural vision of Faith will necessarily have been undermined by the humanism and naturalism of the New Mass and the spirit of Vatican II. Our souls are much too precious to place in the hands of those who lack conviction.

    Consequently, outside case of danger of death, it is preferable to make an act of perfect contrition, and to wait until one can open one’s soul to a traditional priest that can be trusted.  [Answered by Fr. Peter R. Scott]"

    http://archives.sspx.org/Catholic_FAQs/catholic_faqs__traditional.htm#confessiontonovusordopriest
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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #5 on: May 23, 2023, 12:00:21 PM »
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  • Does your father normally attend the Mass at the Seminary?
    He does not. 
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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #6 on: May 23, 2023, 12:02:08 PM »
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  • Have your father contact them directly and ask them to come. That way they will know he actually wants to see them.
    We managed to get Father Waters to come out from Pennsylvania to give my father the last rites last night.  So, he is at least taken care of.
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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #7 on: May 23, 2023, 12:18:09 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever called the SSPX asking for a priest to come to give someone Extreme Unction and they instead recommended a local novus ordo priest?

    This just happened yesterday in the case of my calling the SSPX VA Seminary asking for a priest to come to see my father in the hospital.

    I knew that they had been getting more friendly with the local novus ordo priests but this blew my mind.

    Yes, happened to me in May 2021. Lapsed Catholic friend was on his deathbed after suffering from ALS. He had married a Protestant, but wavered between attending the Novus Ordo and Baptist services. He considered himself Catholic. He knew he was clueless. I tried for over a year to get him to go to Confession before he died. He wouldn't do it.

    Seeing that he only had a few hours/days left, I got permission from the Baptist wife to get a Catholic priest to his house. I called my SSPX (mission) priest. It was a Sunday afternoon. He told me he was busy and to call a Novus Ordo "priest" instead. 

    The Novus Ordo "priest" came over. Prayed a short ecuмenical prayer and did a single anointing on the forehead (as I recall). There was no attempt to hear a confession or anything of that sort.

    My friend died a few days later.


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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #8 on: May 23, 2023, 05:24:55 PM »
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  • We managed to get Father Waters to come out from Pennsylvania to give my father the last rites last night.  So, he is at least taken care of.
    Dear AMDGJMJ, 
    God bless you for taking care of your father, body and soul.  In the most fierce fight for his soul, you have done the right thing.  Prayers for you and your family.

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #9 on: May 23, 2023, 05:37:32 PM »
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  • Yes, happened to me in May 2021. Lapsed Catholic friend was on his deathbed after suffering from ALS. He had married a Protestant, but wavered between attending the Novus Ordo and Baptist services. He considered himself Catholic. He knew he was clueless. I tried for over a year to get him to go to Confession before he died. He wouldn't do it.

    Seeing that he only had a few hours/days left, I got permission from the Baptist wife to get a Catholic priest to his house. I called my SSPX (mission) priest. It was a Sunday afternoon. He told me he was busy and to call a Novus Ordo "priest" instead.

    The Novus Ordo "priest" came over. Prayed a short ecuмenical prayer and did a single anointing on the forehead (as I recall). There was no attempt to hear a confession or anything of that sort.

    My friend died a few days later.
    Absolutely tragic. That SSPX priest had a chance to save a lost soul.

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #10 on: May 23, 2023, 05:37:37 PM »
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  • I'm sorry, but traditional Priests can't simply drop whatever they're doing for their own chapel(s) and parishioners to go visit sick or dying people who:

    1) aren't their parishioners
    2) aren't even traditional
    3) aren't in the immediate area

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    4) didn't personally ask for them in the first place.

    It would be great if they could visit everybody, but there are roughly 100 SSPX Priests in the United States, and the United States is a very big country.

    That might seem harsh, but that's reality. Please give your Priests a break. 


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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #11 on: May 23, 2023, 06:24:57 PM »
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  • I'm sorry, but traditional Priests can't simply drop whatever they're doing for their own chapel(s) and parishioners to go visit sick or dying people who:

    1) aren't their parishioners
    2) aren't even traditional
    3) aren't in the immediate area

    and

    4) didn't personally ask for them in the first place.

    It would be great if they could visit everybody, but there are roughly 100 SSPX Priests in the United States, and the United States is a very big country.

    That might seem harsh, but that's reality. Please give your Priests a break.
    Before vatican 2, parish priests were obliged by canon law to visit their sick parishioners and administer the last rites to the dying, in other words they were bound by justice. Due to the crisis in the Church, traditional priests are not parish priests, they have no jurisdiction obviously, so they aren't bound in justice to visit their sick parishioners, but they're bound by charity; the same would apply to people who aren't their parishioners.
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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #12 on: May 23, 2023, 07:10:03 PM »
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  • Yes, happened to me in May 2021. Lapsed Catholic friend was on his deathbed after suffering from ALS. He had married a Protestant, but wavered between attending the Novus Ordo and Baptist services. He considered himself Catholic. He knew he was clueless. I tried for over a year to get him to go to Confession before he died. He wouldn't do it.

    Seeing that he only had a few hours/days left, I got permission from the Baptist wife to get a Catholic priest to his house. I called my SSPX (mission) priest. It was a Sunday afternoon. He told me he was busy and to call a Novus Ordo "priest" instead.

    The Novus Ordo "priest" came over. Prayed a short ecuмenical prayer and did a single anointing on the forehead (as I recall). There was no attempt to hear a confession or anything of that sort.

    My friend died a few days later.

    Well, the priest can't give him absolution anyway when he has shown absolutely no indication of wanting to go to Confession.  In fact, he resisted your requests to go to Confession, and it wasn't of his volition that the priest came in the first place.  Even had a Traditional priest arrived, he couldn't have given such a one absolution.

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #13 on: May 23, 2023, 07:24:58 PM »
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  • I'm sorry, but traditional Priests can't simply drop whatever they're doing for their own chapel(s) and parishioners to go visit sick or dying people who:

    1) aren't their parishioners
    2) aren't even traditional
    3) aren't in the immediate area

    and

    4) didn't personally ask for them in the first place.

    It would be great if they could visit everybody, but there are roughly 100 SSPX Priests in the United States, and the United States is a very big country.

    That might seem harsh, but that's reality. Please give your Priests a break.

    Very true, and it should be pointed out that SSPX priests do not have ordinary jurisdiction. I thought that most trads knew that - but evidently not. The way that supplied jurisdiction works is that a Catholic approaches the priest (who has supplied jurisdiction) for the sacraments. The priest does not approach a stranger (who doesn't attend an SSPX chapel) to administer the sacraments. The SSPX is an easy target these days.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: SSPX Referrals for novus ordo priests
    « Reply #14 on: May 23, 2023, 07:46:24 PM »
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  • Has anyone ever called the SSPX asking for a priest to come to give someone Extreme Unction and they instead recommended a local novus ordo priest?

    This just happened yesterday in the case of my calling the SSPX VA Seminary asking for a priest to come to see my father in the hospital.

    I knew that they had been getting more friendly with the local novus ordo priests but this blew my mind.

    Why didn't you ask a sedevacantist priest to help your father? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29