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Offline Your Friend Colin

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Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2019, 10:24:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2019, 04:59:46 PM
    Those that have eyes to see, let them see.
    Again, what do you specifically object to in what Geremia posted?
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    « Reply #16 on: May 16, 2019, 10:45:32 PM »
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    • St Peter was a modernist TBH.  He taught a guy, who taught a guy, who taught a guy, who taught a guy (insert number of "who taught a guy" here as needed) who taught the guy who taught John Paul II.  Thus ultimately, St Peter himself trained John Paul II the modernist.  I guess we shouldn't read 1 Peter or 2 Peter.  Stick with theologians that don't have apostolic succession leading to modernists

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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
    « Reply #17 on: May 16, 2019, 10:49:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on May 16, 2019, 10:24:56 PM
    Again, what do you specifically object to in what Geremia posted?
    What I said before suffices:

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    You can say the same about JPII or B16.

    Rat poison is 99% nutritious food.

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    Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange was a 20th century teacher of John Paul II and many other Vatican II modernists.

    By their fruits you shall know them.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.

    JPII, B-16, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos…… they all say some good things too. However, I would not quote them.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
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    Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
    « Reply #18 on: May 16, 2019, 10:57:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
    What I said before suffices:

    JPII, B-16, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos…… they all say some good things too. However, I would not quote them.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
    Bishop Athanasius Schneider is not a Cardinal.
    You’re just deflecting the question.
    Is there anything objectionable about what Fr. GL wrote in this post? 
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    « Reply #19 on: May 17, 2019, 01:45:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 16, 2019, 10:49:15 PM
    What I said before suffices:

    JPII, B-16, Cardinal Athanasius Schneider, Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos…… they all say some good things too. However, I would not quote them.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
    I happen to like Bishop Schneider, but even if I didn't, Paul literally quoted Greek pagans lol. 

    "I won't quote people who don't meet [insert arbitrary standard here]" seems bizarre to me.  
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    Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
    « Reply #20 on: May 17, 2019, 05:59:23 AM »
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    • Quote from: obscurus on May 16, 2019, 08:46:42 PM
    In what way was he "questionable" on liturgical matters specifically?

    I can show modernism in exegesis, but I really do not know what I was thinking when I added "liturgical matters."  

    Thank you for the polite correction.

    It was a senior moment.
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    « Reply #21 on: May 17, 2019, 07:53:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on May 16, 2019, 10:57:43 PM
    Bishop Athanasius Schneider is not a Cardinal.
    You’re just deflecting the question.
    Is there anything objectionable about what Fr. GL wrote in this post?
    Cardinal, Bishop?, LOL, it just shows you how much I read from Vatican II people. Which is my point. There is nothing wrong with  what GL wrote, just like there is nothing wrong with most of what JPII, B-16, Athanasius Schneider, Castrillon-Hoyos, and all of Vatican II. As a matter of fact, people are still debating even here whether there is anything wrong with Vatican II.
     My point should more clearly be seen by even the blind by now. Do not quote any GL here, unless one is Poche and going to quote JPII, B-16, Athanasius Schneider, Castrillon-Hoyos, and all of Vatican II.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
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    « Reply #22 on: May 17, 2019, 10:37:33 AM »
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    • LastTradhican,

    This is basically the same argument you made about the Holy Spirit vs. Holy Ghost. Just because it is modern doesn’t mean it is wrong. If it’s correct than it is correct.

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    « Reply #23 on: May 17, 2019, 11:21:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on May 17, 2019, 10:37:33 AM
    LastTradhican,

    This is basically the same argument you made about the Holy Spirit vs. Holy Ghost. Just because it is modern doesn’t mean it is wrong. If it’s correct than it is correct.
    Strawman. The Holy Spirit thread was thoroughly explained/clarified by Matthew and Ladislaus postings. Nowhere did I disagree with them. I even said Exactly! They explained it more thoroughly than I.

    I've explained myself clearly here. By your logic, why don't we all begin quoting the orthodox quotes by JPII, B-16, Vatican II? Rat poison is 99% nutritious food, and the rats can't tell the difference. GL, JPII, B-16, Vatican II are all rat poison.

    There 19 centuries of saints, doctors, Fathers, popes to read and learn and quote from, there is no need to quote GL, JPII, B-16, VatII to teach anything.
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    Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
    « Reply #24 on: May 17, 2019, 01:45:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on May 17, 2019, 07:53:25 AM
    Cardinal, Bishop?, LOL, it just shows you how much I read from Vatican II people. Which is my point. There is nothing wrong with  what GL wrote, just like there is nothing wrong with most of what JPII, B-16, Athanasius Schneider, Castrillon-Hoyos, and all of Vatican II. As a matter of fact, people are still debating even here whether there is anything wrong with Vatican II.
    My point should more clearly be seen by even the blind by now. Do not quote any GL here, unless one is Poche and going to quote JPII, B-16, Athanasius Schneider, Castrillon-Hoyos, and all of Vatican II.

    I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
    "Paul, there's like, 19 centuries of faithful Jєωιѕн leaders to quote from.  Why did you have to quote that random Cretan poet who was almost certainly a pagan."  

    And why did St Thomas Aquinas quote Aristotle.  Man was a total pagan, ya know? 

    As for the first two words, unless you're referencing something else, we get that Sedevacantists aren't gonna think these people are bishops, and sedeplenists will.  I don't see how that's a "Vatican II thing" unless sedeplenism in general is a Vatican II thing.  There's also a spectrum of thought on Vatican II that's not as black and white as "there's nothing wrong, nothing to see here" and its polar opposite.  Vatican II was really vague, and to everyone's detriment.
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