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Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2019, 03:34:05 PM »
Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange was a 20th century teacher of John Paul II and many other Vatican II modernists.

By their fruits you shall know them.

I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.
What here do you object to??

Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2019, 03:34:30 PM »
Drinking some specific belgium beer is a holy experience, since it's made by monks.  (j/k).
Ah! But what if those monks are not holy?


Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2019, 04:17:56 PM »
So? One, like St. Thomas Aquinas, can learn truths even from Jews and Muslims.
Do you disagree with what Fr. G.-L. wrote here?
You can say the same about JPII or B16. 

Rat poison is 99% nutritious food.


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Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2019, 04:39:18 PM »
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Ah! But what if those monks are not holy?
When God works the miracle of changing yeast, sugar and grains into gourmet alcohol, this is a holy transformation.  ;)

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Re: Spiritual pleasures ⋙ carnal pleasures.
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2019, 04:48:39 PM »
Fr. Garrigou-Lagrange was a 20th century teacher of John Paul II and many other Vatican II modernists.

By their fruits you shall know them.

I'd go with another teacher from a better time, there's 19 centuries and innumerable saints to choose from.

Garrigou-Lagrange is a completely orthodox, non-Modernist theologian.

Now you're going to throw out anyone who taught someone who later lost the Faith and/or became a Modernist?

Better throw out St. Thomas Aquinas himself, too!

Give me a break. That's not what Our Lord meant by "judge a tree by its fruits". You can't just use private interpretation on Scripture like that, and ignore all other Catholic principles.
For example, the Catholic Church also teaches: Any teaching is received according to the manner of the receiver."  That explains how a good teacher (Garrigou-Lagrange) can teach someone who ends up Modernist (JP2).

I could point to all kinds of rotten graduates of Catholic schools. That doesn't mean the Catholic Church is a "bad tree".

JP2 was a bad pupil. Garrigou-Lagrange was a spotless teacher.