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Offline confederate catholic

Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2019, 07:37:37 PM »
Ladislas
the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2019, 09:49:00 AM »
Quote from: confederate catholic on February 13, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
Ladislas
the Chaldeans actually have the bizzarity of Deaconesses, as do the Armenians. At an Orthodox Armenian liturgy I witnessed their use they sang in choir and stood behind the communicants putting chapel veils on the heads of the women and girls approaching the altar. Another deaconess stood in the bema removing them from their heads. Some of the OO sister churches were not part of the empire when the deaconesses were done away with and have no prohibitive canon against it. Essentially the Chaldeans and Malabar are highly Latinized because of Portuguese influence

Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.
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Re: St. Joseph's Catholic Cathedral in Tehran, Iran
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2019, 12:09:41 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on February 14, 2019, 09:49:00 AM
Yes, there was a notion of "deaconess" in the early Church, but it was not an Order but a looser expression. So, for instance, people tended to be baptized in the nude or with few clothes on by immersion, and the deaconess would assist the females being baptized while the bishop stood behind a screen so as not to violate modesty.  This sounds like the same kind of thing, a function where it's more appropriate for females to be assisting females.
Along those lines there is the story of the conversion of Pelagia. When she begged the bishops to baptize her, they confided her to the deaconess Romana for her instruction.
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