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Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2017, 05:27:44 PM »
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  • I for one am almost afraid to see his answer.  
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    I am not quite sure what point you are making with any of these quotes, but I'll just ask about this one.  Are you saying that it is better for Jews to go to hell than to convert and find salvation?


    Jesus Christ died for all, even the stubborn Jews and He chooses to come from that nation.  He forgave them from the cross, and yes, they cursed themselves as a nation.  Yet, it is said that God will call them back near the end of the world, that is the Will of God and it will happen.     

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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #16 on: November 30, 2017, 05:29:00 PM »
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  • I am not quite sure what point you are making with any of these quotes, but I'll just ask about this one.  Are you saying that it is better for Jews to go to hell than to convert and find salvation?
    Dreadful are the ends of a wicked race! ~ Wisdom iii.19

    We order all our brother bishops absolutely to suppress the blasphemy of Jews in your dioceses, churches, and communities, so that they do not dare raise their necks, bent under eternal slavery, to revile the Redeemer.
    ~ Pope Gregory IX.


    Ungrateful for favors and forgetful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness. They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future grow insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.
    ~ Pope Gregory IX

    It would be licit, according to custom, to hold the Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime.
    ~ St. Thomas Aquinas

    The Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and have persecuted us, do not please God, and they are adversaries to all men, prohibiting us from speaking to the Gentiles that they may be saved, to fill up their sin always: for the wrath of God has come upon them to the end.
    ~ I Thessalonians ii.14-16

    The Synagogue is a godless house, a collection of wickedness, and God Himself has damned it.
    ~ St. Ambrose (PAC, p.642)


    If anyone does not worship the Crucified One, let him be anathema and numbered among the deicides.
    ~ St. Gregory Nazianzen


    If any man love not Our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be anathema, maranatha.
    ~ I Corinthians xvi.22


    Indeed, if any one of the clergy or faithful has taken a meal with Jews, it is determined that, as a corrective punishment, he is to abstain from Communion so that he may be reformed.
    ~ Council of Elvira


    How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men. They are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits -- pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their rapine, their avarice, their deception of the poor, their thievery, and their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? Jews are impure and impious, and their synagogue is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as is also the soul of the Jew.
    As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and unchaste; their religion a disease; their synagogue an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition! Why are Jews degenerate? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ.
    This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus, the Jew will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them., "Depart from Me, for you have had intercourse with My murderers!" Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the synagogue, hold it in hatred and aversion.
    ~ St. John Chrysostom


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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #17 on: November 30, 2017, 05:32:03 PM »
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  • I for one am almost afraid to see his answer.  

    Jesus Christ died for all, even the stubborn Jews and He chooses to come from that nation.  He forgave them from the cross, and yes, they cursed themselves as a nation.  Yet, it is said that God will call them back near the end of the world, that is the Will of God and it will happen.    

    Some of our great Church Fathers had a much different opinion, even our 'traditional' teachers water down historical teachings..

    Whosoever does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is Antichrist, and whosoever does not profess the testimony of the cross is a devil, and whosoever perverts the saying of the Lord to his own evil desires ... is the first-born of Satan.
    ~ St. Polycarp of Smyrna


    By their malice, the Scribes and Pharisees and princes of the Jews were a considerable hindrance to the salvation of the people, both because they opposed Christ's doctrine, which was the only way to salvation, and also because their evil ways corrupted the morals of the people.
    ~ St. Thomas Aquinas


    Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns and dishonored Him by spitting upon Him; they scourged Him; they heaped abuses upon Him; they hung Him upon a tree.
    ~ St. Augustine


    The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion.
    ~ Padre Pio


    Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their fathers' faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!
    ~ St. Gregory of Nyssa


    It is fitting for Jews to serve Christians, but not for Christians to serve Jews. On the contrary, the Jews, as servants rejected by that Savior Whose death they wickedly contrived, should recognize themselves in fact and in creed the servants of those whom the death of Christ has set free, even as it has rendered them bondmen.
    ~ Pope Innocent III ("Etsi Judaeos," a Decretal cited by Pope Benedict XIV in the above; same page).


    We exhort you not to tolerate that Jews rule Christians and have power over them. For, to allow Christians to be subjected to Jews and to be delivered to their whims means to oppress the Church of God and to revile Christ Himself.
    ~ Pope Gregory VII (Epistle to King Alphonsus of Castile, PAC, p.641).


    It is known that the Jewish people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit.
    ~ St. Felix of Toledo ("On the Condemnation of the Jews," Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8; PAC, p.376).


    Our ways of life and those of the Jews are utterly different, and Jews will easily pervert the souls of simple folk to their superstition and unbelief if such folk are living in continual and intimate intercourse with them.
    ~ Pope Alexander III ("Ad Haec," a Decretal, cited by Benedict XIV as above, p.137).


    When Jews are admitted out of pity into familiar intercourse with Christians, they repay their hosts after the fashion of the rat hidden in the sack, or the snake in the bosom, or of the burning brand in one's lap.
     ~ Pope Innocent III (PAC, p.137).

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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #18 on: November 30, 2017, 05:37:35 PM »
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  • I do not understand what these quotes have to do with conversion.  Could you please explain in your own words?
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is

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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #19 on: November 30, 2017, 08:46:52 PM »
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  • jaynek - being that your family members are jews, it is understandable that you seek out a traditional prayer for conversion of the jews.  However, you are likely to be disappointed.  You do not know what is required of a jewish conversion.  Our Lord said something similar to st paul.  I do not remember the words.  But, it was something like "st paul does not know how much he will have to suffer for me"(meaning a lot).  You will first have to be a shining example for them, and then take them under your wings in that shining example.  Because, you will likely not be satisfied with turning your run of the mill jew family member into a run of the mill catholic.  Because, a run of the mill catholic in our day is a novus ordite which is not pleasing to God.  Because, the novus ordite is a judaized catholic(vomited out of gods mouth).  And, the last thing we need are more marranos.  That has been the cause of our problems.  Embrace the evangelical councils, and do not be satisfied with anything less for your companions(meaning your former jew family members).  Now, contemplate that.  How optimistic are you now?  You have a long road ahead of you.  And, that is the beauty.  We have our whole lives to work towards our end.  And, conversion of the jews and sanctification of the church is a walk to calvary.  But, as a jewish convert, you are called to that.  

    Outside of your situation, budude has much wisdom to offer.  Only at the crossroads will you find the accommodation you seek.  And, if that were everywhere present, we would be missing the sanctifying examples needed to survive such a scene.   
    "A secure mind is like a continual feast" - Proverbs xv: 15


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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 08:49:28 PM »
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  • Jayne, here are some saints who will be of interest because of a strong connection with the conversion of the Jews.

    St Raymund of Peñafort, a great converter of the Jews, bade the Dominicans to learn Hebrew and Arabic to be able better to persuade and battle with the Jews. He established institutes at Barcelona and Tunis for the instruction of monks in these languages and was the pioneer of Hebrew and Arabic studies. He thus started a line of apologists who were no longer contented with collecting the passages of the Old Testament that foreshadowed the Trinity or prophesied the Messiah, but who refuted the rabbinical books and Talmudic assertions.
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    St John of Capestrano (28 March) Pope Nicholas V appointed him Inquisitor-General in Italy against Judaism and Islam, and he brought many to believe in Christ.  He did much good work in the affairs of the Eastern Church and brought back the Armenians to the Catholic Church.  He laboured 6 years in Germany and elsewhere, and his teaching and his miracles brought back to the Church countless heretics and Jews. He died in 1456 from the exhaustion he suffered in the defense of Belgrade at the age of 71. He is regarded as a martyr, for enemies of the faith twice succeeded in giving him poison, which was ineffectual.  
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    Prayer: O God, who by thy blessed servant John didst cause thy faithful people in the power of the most holy Name of Jesus to triumph over the enemies of the Cross: grant, we pray thee that, by his intercession, we may overcome the crafts and assaults of all spiritual enemies, and be found worthy to obtain of thee the crown of righteousness. 
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    St Vincent Ferrer (5 April)
    Two evils cried out for remedy in St Vincent's day: moral laxity and the scandal of the papal schism. He labored with all his strength to bring order out of chaos. While dangerously ill, he had a vision in which Christ and Sts Dominic and Francis instructed him to preach penance whenever and wherever he was needed, and he was miraculously cured.
    He preached indefatigably, supplementing his natural gifts with the supernatural power of God, obtained through his fasting, prayers, and penance. He preached in England, Scotland, and Ireland and France. Thousands of people followed him from place to place. A team of priests dispensed the sacraments to Vincent's converts. Catechism was taught, hospitals founded, and faith that had all but perished revived. Though he spoke only Spanish, his followers heard him in their own tongue. His message was penance, the Last Judgment, and eternity. In Spain thousands of Jews and Moors were converted and requested baptism. His Treatise on the Spiritual Life is of great value to earnest souls. He always composed his sermons at the foot of a crucifix.
     
    St James the Less, (11 May)
     
     On the dispersion of the Apostles among the nations, St James remained as Bishop of Jerusalem, where the Jews named him “the Just”. He governed that church for 30 years before his martyrdom. Hegesippus, the earliest of the Church’s historians, has handed down many traditions of St James’s sanctity. He was a celibate Nazarite consecrated to God; he drank no wine and wore no sandals. He prostrated himself so long and so often in prayer that the skin of his knees was hardened like a camel’s hoof. He was indeed a living proof of his own words, “The wisdom that is from above is first of all chaste, then peaceable, modest, ready to listen, full of mercy and good fruits.” (James 3:17)  
     
    He sat beside St Peter and St Paul at the Council of Jerusalem. When St Paul later escaped the fury of the Jews by appealing to Caesar, the people took vengeance on James, and crying out, “The just one has erred!” stoned him to death. During his martyrdom in 62 AD he prayed for his persecutors in the same words pronounced by Jesus: “Heavenly Father, forgive them, they know not what they do.”
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    Sts Cyril and Methodius, the Apostles of the Slavs (7 July)
    Brothers born in Thessalonica in 827 and 826, in 860, the Byzantine emperor Michael III sent Sts Cyril and Methodius as missionaries to the Khazars, who had requested a Christian scholar to debate with the Jews and Muslims. They learned the Khazar language and taught them so that many Khazars laid aside their superstitions and were baptised. 

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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #21 on: December 01, 2017, 04:46:44 AM »
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  • jaynek - being that your family members are jews, it is understandable that you seek out a traditional prayer for conversion of the jews.  However, you are likely to be disappointed.  You do not know what is required of a jewish conversion.  
    Thank you for your advice. You have given me something to think about.  I have been planning to take a break from forums over Advent and this will be a good opportunity to consider what you have written.
    I wonder why somebody would have down-voted it.   :confused:
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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #22 on: December 01, 2017, 04:50:25 AM »
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  • Jayne, here are some saints who will be of interest because of a strong connection with the conversion of the Jews.
    Thank you very much for these.  I had heard of them, but only knew about the connection with Jews in the case of St. Vincent.  This is very helpful.
    Most sweet Jesus, whose overflowing charity for men is requited by so much forgetfulness, negligence and contempt, behold us prostrate before you, eager to repair by a special act of homage the cruel indifference and injuries to which your loving Heart is


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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 07:56:47 AM »
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  • Could someone on this forum point me to an article, a book or simply explain to me the difference between the biblical Jews (i.e. Hebrews or Children of Israel) and the Jews of today? In my humble opinion, these days, few to none of the Jews come directly from the line of Abraham. I think that most of them are the descendants of the Khazars (at least the Ashkenazi Jews) but how about the Sephardic Jews? I admit that most of my confusion comes from the fact that I spent most of my adult life in the conciliar sect and there the Jews were referred to as our "Older/ Elder Brothers in Faith" and there is no need to pray for their conversion (forget about the conversion of heart, that is not even an option) because they have their own path to salvation (courtesy of John Paul II's "teachings").

    Thank you and God bless.

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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #24 on: December 01, 2017, 08:53:16 AM »
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  • Could someone on this forum point me to an article, a book or simply explain to me the difference between the biblical Jews (i.e. Hebrews or Children of Israel) and the Jews of today? In my humble opinion, these days, few to none of the Jews come directly from the line of Abraham.




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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #25 on: December 01, 2017, 08:53:52 AM »
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  • I admit that most of my confusion comes from the fact that I spent most of my adult life in the conciliar sect and there the Jews were referred to as our "Older/ Elder Brothers in Faith" and there is no need to pray for their conversion (forget about the conversion of heart, that is not even an option) because they have their own path to salvation (courtesy of John Paul II's "teachings").
    Exactly.  That is just what I was talking about.  I find it maddening.  :cussing:
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    Re: Seeking Prayers for the Conversion of Jews
    « Reply #26 on: December 01, 2017, 09:02:39 AM »
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