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Offline Cryptinox

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Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
« on: November 02, 2020, 09:52:48 PM »
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    • One of the conditions to get an indulgence is to  pray for the Holy Father's intentions. If there has not been a Pope for 62 years does this mean you can't get indulgences anymore? I remember Fr. David Hewko speaking about how the intentions of the Pope were laid out centuries ago or something like that though.
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #1 on: November 03, 2020, 06:52:27 AM »
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    • This is from Father Gabriel Lavery CMRI:


    How does one prayer “for the intentions of the Pope” during a vacancy?
    During a vacancy of the Holy See, one can still gain a plenary indulgence by praying for the general intentions that every pope has. We sometimes refer to these as the “intentions of the Church” to avoid confusion during this time of vacancy. As explained by a notable canon lawyer before Vatican II:
    “The intentions of the Supreme Pontiff for which one is to pray are: the exaltation of the Church, propagation of the faith, ending of heresy and schism, conversion of sinners, peace and harmony among Christian rulers and nations, and other blessings for the welfare of Christianity. It suffices to have the general intention to pray for the intentions of the Pope or the Church.” (Stanislaus Woywod, A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, p. 538. 1957)
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #2 on: November 03, 2020, 07:13:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on November 03, 2020, 06:52:27 AM
    This is from Father Gabriel Lavery CMRI:


    How does one prayer “for the intentions of the Pope” during a vacancy?
    During a vacancy of the Holy See, one can still gain a plenary indulgence by praying for the general intentions that every pope has. We sometimes refer to these as the “intentions of the Church” to avoid confusion during this time of vacancy. As explained by a notable canon lawyer before Vatican II:
    “The intentions of the Supreme Pontiff for which one is to pray are: the exaltation of the Church, propagation of the faith, ending of heresy and schism, conversion of sinners, peace and harmony among Christian rulers and nations, and other blessings for the welfare of Christianity. It suffices to have the general intention to pray for the intentions of the Pope or the Church.” (Stanislaus Woywod, A Practical Commentary on the Code of Canon Law, p. 538. 1957)
    Isn't this same thing the non-sedes pray when they "pray for the pope" in their masses (despite the fact that they have a pope)?
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #3 on: November 03, 2020, 12:50:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cryptinox on November 02, 2020, 09:52:48 PM
    One of the conditions to get an indulgence is to  pray for the Holy Father's intentions. If there has not been a Pope for 62 years does this mean you can't get indulgences anymore? I remember Fr. David Hewko speaking about how the intentions of the Pope were laid out centuries ago or something like that though.
    What a stupid question.  As if, even in normal times, indulgences suddenly ceased during every interregnum.
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    Offline Miseremini

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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #4 on: November 03, 2020, 12:56:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on November 03, 2020, 12:50:04 PM
    What a stupid question.  As if, even in normal times, indulgences suddenly ceased during every interregnum.
    There are no stupid questions from someone who is trying to learn.
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #5 on: November 03, 2020, 01:36:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Miseremini on November 03, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
    There are no stupid questions from someone who is trying to learn.
    Given the membership on this forum and the way the question was framed, I don't believe this was a question asked to actually learn anything.  I believe the fellow is a troll.
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #6 on: November 03, 2020, 01:46:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on November 03, 2020, 01:36:50 PM
    Given the membership on this forum and the way the question was framed, I don't believe this was a question asked to actually learn anything.  I believe the fellow is a troll.
    Typically I would question it as well although it seems to be his only sede related question in recent weeks. Now if XavierSem had posted it..... 
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #7 on: November 03, 2020, 01:56:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on November 03, 2020, 01:36:50 PM
    Given the membership on this forum and the way the question was framed, I don't believe this was a question asked to actually learn anything.  I believe the fellow is a troll.
    You could very possibly be right but I wouldn't want your previous answer to discourage other newbies on the site from asking very basic questions no matter how badly they are phrased.
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #8 on: November 03, 2020, 05:56:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: TKGS on November 03, 2020, 01:36:50 PM
    Given the membership on this forum and the way the question was framed, I don't believe this was a question asked to actually learn anything.  I believe the fellow is a troll.
    I don’t think he’s a troll and I think this was an honest question. I believe he is a young man attending a Novus Ordo high school and is seeking the true faith. 
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #9 on: November 03, 2020, 06:14:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on November 03, 2020, 05:56:09 PM
    I don’t think he’s a troll and I think this was an honest question. I believe he is a young man attending a Novus Ordo high school and is seeking the true faith.
    I hope you are correct.  There are so many rabid anti-sedes on this forum that any questions that specifically calls out sedes for such questions, especially ones that seem to suggest that an interregnum somehow ends the normal operation of the Church, make me very suspicious.  
    In the event that the question was truly asked in good faith, the first answer from Quo vadis Domine is the correct answer.
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #10 on: November 03, 2020, 06:29:44 PM »
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    • Sure we can pray for the pope's intentions. The intentions of the last true pope. I don't think they get suspended when the pope dies.
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    On the contrary, I'm wondering how the sedeplenists can get an indulgence of a certain amount of time if Paul VI took those away?
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #11 on: November 03, 2020, 09:46:51 PM »
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    • Why wouldn't it be?  An interregnum is an interregnum.

    I am not a sedevacantist, but I don't blame others for coming to that conclusion, and when all is said and done, they may be right. 
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #12 on: November 03, 2020, 09:58:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 03, 2020, 09:46:51 PM
    Why wouldn't it be?  An interregnum is an interregnum.

    I am not a sedevacantist, but I don't blame others for coming to that conclusion, and when all is said and done, they may be right.
    Are you the same Simple Man that comments on Introibo ad Altare Dei’s blog?
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    Re: Sedes: Is it still possible to get indulgences in your view?
    « Reply #13 on: November 04, 2020, 01:02:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on November 03, 2020, 09:58:42 PM
    Are you the same Simple Man that comments on Introibo ad Altare Dei’s blog?
    You mean there are two of us?

    Seriously, no, that's not me.  My nom de trad comes from a Lynyrd Skynyrd song.  I also heard Bill O'Reilly allude to it the other night when he was on Sean Hannity's show.
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