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Offline Stephen Francis

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Saw a 20-decade Rosary at a bookstore yesterday
« on: October 08, 2011, 10:20:31 AM »
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  • I saw a 20-decade Rosary yesterday... what a waste of time. People couldn't even be bothered to pray Our Lady's Rosary before the Unblessed Ungreat imposed 'new' mysteries on them. Folks in the NO were too busy hanging the things off their rear-view mirrors or wearing them as necklaces.

    Our Lady gave St. Dominic the Rosary EXACTLY as She wanted it to be used... 15 decades, representing 150 Ave Maria prayers, divided by ten beads upon which to recite the Pater Noster. The number 150 corresponds to the number of Psalms, which monks and hermits used to pray every day before the advent of the Rosary. Of course, many, many people were illiterate in the days of St. Dominic, so Our Lady had pity and provided them with a prayer discipline that could be easily remembered and was thoroughly grounded in both Scripture and the teachings of the Church.

    Unblessed Wojtyla the Ungreat's 'new mysteries' include things like the 'announcement of the coming of the Kingdom', which was NOT a singular event (a certain moment in time) but rather an ongoing theme of Christ's mission. This, of course, is because Wojtyla the Modernist liked to believe that the Kingdom of God is some kind of nebulous, borderless thing that is yet to be fully realized, until all his heretic and infidel friends get to come in, too. That stands in direct opposition to the DOGMATIC teaching of the Church that the Kingdom of God IS FULLY REALIZED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND NOT OUTSIDE HER. The EFFECTS of the presence of God's Kingdom on the world will not be totally seen until Christ returns and finalizes the sanctification of His people unto Himself, but the Kingdom IS the Church and vice versa.

    Wojtyla's pointless and unnecessary additions to the Rosary were and are nothing more than another excuse for him and the Novus Ordo to try to advance their Protestant/liberal/syncretistic agenda.
    This evil of heresy spreads itself. The doctrines of godliness are overturned; the rules of the Church are in confusion; the ambition of the unprincipled seizes upon places of authority; and the chief seat [the Papacy] is now openly proposed as a rewar


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    Saw a 20-decade Rosary at a bookstore yesterday
    « Reply #1 on: October 08, 2011, 10:22:57 AM »
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  • I saw that thing too....we think so much alike its scary!  :dancing-banana:

    I'm going to start stockpiling normal Rosaries, before the 20 decade one is all we'll be able to find.
    "If I am not in the state of grace, may the Lord put me in it. And if I am in the state of grace, may the Lord keep me in it".--St Jehanne D'Arc, during her trial.


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    Saw a 20-decade Rosary at a bookstore yesterday
    « Reply #2 on: October 08, 2011, 10:44:08 AM »
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  • Now who's going to say a 20 decade long rosary? People have enough "difficulty" ( :rolleyes:) saying the minimum 5 decades.
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    Offline Stephen Francis

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    Saw a 20-decade Rosary at a bookstore yesterday
    « Reply #3 on: October 08, 2011, 05:30:13 PM »
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  • Padre Pio used to carry his Rosary in the pocket of his habit and was noted to have his hand in there, counting away, all day long. According to some sources I read, St. Pio would pray the Ave, the Pater and the Gloria hundreds of times, if not thousands of times, a day (not to mention the other associated prayers, etc).

    I ALWAYS pray at LEAST a Pater, an Ave and a Gloria when I lie down at night and first thing in the morning. The Rosary is just so simple to undertake because its familiarity makes it easy to pray vocally OR silently and still have one's mind free to meditate on Christ's life, the Passion, passages of Scripture, personal intentions...

    It's almost as though Our Lady designed it so that we could concentrate on opening our spirits to meditation on the things of God, and her devotion would be running right along with it, like 'background music', or like the accompaniment of Our Mother as we beseech Our Father for what we need...

    Oh, wait... that's EXACTLY what She gave it to us for.

    St. Dominic, pray for us.

    Virgin Mary, Queen of the Most Holy Rosary, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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    Saw a 20-decade Rosary at a bookstore yesterday
    « Reply #4 on: October 08, 2011, 06:17:06 PM »
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  • Isn't a fifteen decade rosary part of the Capuchin habit anyway?
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #5 on: October 08, 2011, 09:21:52 PM »
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  • @Sigismund:

    Yes, a fifteen-decade Rosary is traditionally a part of the Capuchin habit. However, St. Pio carried his in his POCKET and used it constantly, whereas many other people kept it on their belts until there was what I am sure they perceived as a more 'opportune' time to pray the Rosary.

    I am not criticizing any other religious; don't read me wrong. I just want to point out that it's often not the BIG things that get neglected by people as they lose their sanctity and zeal for God; it's the LITTLE things that people start to leave off from, like saying the Rosary.

    Our Lady did not give St. Dominic a laundry-list of hundreds of heroic efforts and giant tasks to do, in order that people might increase their faith and conform their wills more closely to God. She gave him a pattern (150) that people were familiar with, she gave him a method (the physical counting) that is conducive to concentration, and she gave him (and us) prayers that were either readily familiar to people or very easily memorized because they came from very familiar, commonly-heard passages of Scripture that dealt with some VERY important dogmas of the Church (the Annunciation, the Incarnation, Mary's perpetual Virginity and her role as intercessor).

    What we need today, SO desperately, is NOT an army of people dedicated to building huge 'ministries' like the Prots try to do (like the Priests For Life people); neither is the solution to amass thousands and thousands of people to drive home some new devotion or some new 'trend' in spirituality (like the so-called charismatics or the people assuming the orans posture at the 'Our Father' of the NO).

    We DON'T need people to get swept up in populist movements to excuse disobedience to the Church (and heresy) just because someone made the cover of Time magazine ('mother' Teresa, for instance, or the Ungreat Wojtyla).

    No, what we need are for people to reach into their pockets, day after day, as they go about their lives, and PRAY Our Lady's Rosary. We need people to simply avail themselves of the Sacraments and all the great graces which come to us thereby.

    We need the simple act of obeying Our Mother's wishes to become like an act of building a stone wall between us and sin, between us and Modernism and between us and the secular world's attractions. When you build a wall, it's not one hundred or fifty or even ten bricks at a time... it's ONE brick at a time, laid carefully and checked closely.

    If we simply pray ONE Pater at a time, ONE Ave at a time, ONE Gloria at a time... not rushing from one Ave to the next, but REALLY concentrating on the Mysteries presented to us, and seizing each moment of our day that we are able for the sake of Christ and for the honor of His Mother, we can and WILL build that wall that will keep us out of sin and sin out of us.

    Our Lady of the Most Holy Rosary, pray for us.

    Sacred Heart of Jesus, have mercy on us.
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    « Reply #6 on: October 10, 2011, 12:38:45 AM »
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  • Nothing wrong with wearing a Rosary around the neck. As long as it is not ostentatious.

    Some "Novus-Ordo-ites" pray the Rosary more often than some "traditional Catholics".



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    « Reply #7 on: October 10, 2011, 03:33:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    Some "Novus-Ordo-ites" pray the Rosary more often than some "traditional Catholics".


    Why the need to put those terms in quotation marks? Let me guess, you're implying that there is no such thing as either type of Catholic and everyone is just Catholic, right? No surprise coming from you.

    It's actually true that some Novus Ordites pray the Rosary more often than some Traditional Catholics, but that is very far and few between. The Bogus Ordo church has almost completely abandoned the Rosary, instead they practice the Devine Mercy Chaplet, invented by Sister Faustina who, in my opinion, was a modernist and perhaps even mentally ill (she said she had a vision of Christ being "unclad"). Alot of Trads think the Devine Mercy thing is just an attempt to replace the Rosary.

    Your post definitely leaves me scratching my head. You seem to be sticking up for Novus Ordites and implying that there is no distinction between them and Trads. I wouldn't be surprised if you think there's nothing wrong with the luminous mysteries.
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    « Reply #8 on: October 10, 2011, 05:32:08 PM »
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  • As has been previously expounded on numerous occasions on this website, there is nothing doctrinally wrong with either the Luminous Mysteries or the Divine Mercy chaplet. The spirit and motives which were impetus to their implement into lay spirituality is, however, questionable.

    "SpiritusSanctus", what would you do if you had a Catholic guest that invited you to pray the Rosary with him & he started praying the Luminous mysteries? Interrupt and say that you don't pray the Luminous? Shake your head in disgust? Or just comply with it?

    Some Novus Ordo-ites probably do prefer the Divine Mercy to the Rosary, most likely out of sloth rather than a spiritual preference for the former.







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    « Reply #9 on: October 10, 2011, 08:29:32 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    As has been previously expounded on numerous occasions on this website, there is nothing doctrinally wrong with either the Luminous Mysteries or the Divine Mercy chaplet. The spirit and motives which were impetus to their implement into lay spirituality is, however, questionable.


    There is something horribly wrong with the luminious mysteries (and I gather from your reply that you do indeed pray them). The Rosary was given to us by Our Lady, and anything that comes from Heaven is perfect and cannot be changed by any human being, only God can change it if He chooses to do so. JPII had no buisiness adding those mysteries, Pope or not. The Devine Mercy chaplet is just an NO invention that I will never participate in.

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    "SpiritusSanctus", what would you do if you had a Catholic guest that invited you to pray the Rosary with him & he started praying the Luminous mysteries? Interrupt and say that you don't pray the Luminous? Shake your head in disgust? Or just comply with it?


    Well, I would have two options. Either pray along with him but not actually do the luminous mysteries, or simply tell him I don't pray them. Either way, I'm NOT praying the luminous mysteries.

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    Some Novus Ordo-ites probably do prefer the Divine Mercy to the Rosary, most likely out of sloth rather than a spiritual preference for the former.


    MOST Novus Ordites prefer the Devine Mercy to the Rosary. You are right about one thing though, in most cases it's probably out of sloth given that many Novus Ordites tend to be spiritually lazy. I was spiritually lazy when I was a Novus Ordite.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 10, 2011, 08:37:43 PM »
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  • I had a Pieta prayerbook back in the late 1970s, early 1980s that got lost, and when I went to buy a new one recently, I found they had now injected a lot of bogus ordo'y stuff into it.

    I also found when I bought a copy of TAN's "CATHOLIC PRAYERS" that the NO bishop who issued them his imprimatur made it a condition of the imprimatur that they include the so-called "luminous mysteries". TAN noted that in the book; it was almost an apology to Trads, explaining why they had to include it.

    Why do they feel the need for a NO imprimatur anyway? Why not get it from a SSPX bishop or sede bishop?
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    « Reply #11 on: October 10, 2011, 08:41:36 PM »
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    Why do they feel the need for a NO imprimatur anyway? Why not get it from a SSPX bishop or sede bishop?



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    « Reply #12 on: October 10, 2011, 08:56:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Vladimir
    As has been previously expounded on numerous occasions on this website, there is nothing doctrinally wrong with either the Luminous Mysteries or the Divine Mercy chaplet. The spirit and motives which were impetus to their implement into lay spirituality is, however, questionable.


    I'm really beginning to question you more and more Vladimir. Did you say you attend an FSSP service? I have this feeling your spiritual director (priest or not) is somehow a Vatican II cheerleader who feels good saying the Tridentine mass...

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    « Reply #13 on: October 10, 2011, 09:18:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: s2srea
    Quote from: Vladimir
    As has been previously expounded on numerous occasions on this website, there is nothing doctrinally wrong with either the Luminous Mysteries or the Divine Mercy chaplet. The spirit and motives which were impetus to their implement into lay spirituality is, however, questionable.


    I'm really beginning to question you more and more Vladimir. Did you say you attend an FSSP service? I have this feeling your spiritual director (priest or not) is somehow a Vatican II cheerleader who feels good saying the Tridentine mass...


    Sadly, there are some FSSP priests who have no problem with Vatican II. I've heard one FSSP priest say that he likes the Novus Ordo, too. Given that, according to Vladimir, this FSSP priest of his hasn't corrected him for assisting at Protestant services, I think he needs to find a new chapel if possible.
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    « Reply #14 on: October 10, 2011, 09:49:46 PM »
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  • Was the use of the word "service" to describe the Holy Mass offered by FSSP priests a syntactical slip or a tongue in cheek comment on the validity of the sacrament therein?

    I'm not quite sure what the priest that I consulted on exactly one (1) occassion has to do at all with my post. It's a bit strange to extrapolate opinions on a priest that you only know through the internet testimony of an anonymous person.


    I'm curious to know what exactly about my post causes you to "question" me (whatever that means, or is it more like "SpiritusSanctus" obtuse questioning of my "catholicity"?).

    Can you find anything doctrinally wrong within the actual chaplet of Divine Mercy or the 5 luminous mysteries (which I cannot even name off the top of my head, let alone pray as "SpiritusSanctus" implied without basis)? True enough, the Rosary with 15 decades is in no need of reform, and it is a bit pretentious to say that it was perfected by the addition of the Luminous mysteries, etc. But the mysteries themselves are all within the New Testament. The same with the Chaplet of Divine Mercy. Since "SpiritusSanctus" finds it so odious, perhaps he could enlighten us on what exactly it is within the chaplet or the novena that he finds so disturbing.

    "SpiritusSanctus": "I was was spiritually lazy when I attended the Novus Ordo, therefore most people that attend the Novus Ordo are spiritually lazy"? This prooves nothing. Just a blame game. Like some of the posters here who constantly complain about public schooling being the source of their sinful inclinations instead of pointing the finger at their own concupiscence and impurity.

    Same thing when/if "SpiritusSanctus" says that the Divine mercy chaplet leads people to deny the justice of God, etc. If they are going to deny the justice of God they are going to do so with or w/o the divine mercy chaplet. If they denied the justice of God, what need would there be for them to beseech his mercy?

    And I cannot remember if I've ever prayed the luminous mysteries. I'm almost certain I've never done so on my own, but there is a chance I may have prayed them a few times under conditions similar to the theoretical situation I gave "SpiritusSanctus", if so, I've since forgotten. I have prayed the Divine mercy chaplet on a number of occasions, almost all of them because I was the guest of people who were in a habit of praying it daily and I didn't want to be rude. Frankly, their prayer was quite sincere and their piety very moving. This was in a country where there is no Latin mass. I'm almost certain that some of them will go to Heaven after death. It's probably better to pray the luminous mysteries and divine mercy chaplet and avoid mortal sin like them rather than to stick to the 15 decades but not avoid sin. They prayed the Rosary as well, but in private. So I've not seen proof of the Divine mercy chaplet usurping the role of the Rosary in Catholic lay spirituality.

    Frankly, I don't see how delving into these things bears any fruit at all. Confucius says that virtue lies in asking deeply, but to always apply our thoughts to ourselves and not in the affairs of others. Christ says that we must be like little children. And none of this sounds like that. The simplicity with which the poor Catholics that I met (see above) who prayed the Divine Mercy/Luminous mysteries simply because the heard their pastor recommend it, does however sound like what Christ is telling us to do...