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Offline Peter15and1

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« on: May 13, 2016, 12:57:54 PM »
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  • Edit:  I can't get the links to work.  Long story short, there is a website out there claiming that if you make the Sign of the Cross by touching your chest instead of your belly, you are making an invested "satanic" sign of the cross, and that you are committing blasphemy.  A person I know if afraid of being cursed because of the way she has been making the sign for years.  Is there any truth to this?

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    « Reply #1 on: May 13, 2016, 01:05:13 PM »
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    Edit:  I can't get the links to work.  Long story short, there is a website out there claiming that if you make the Sign of the Cross by touching your chest instead of your belly, you are making an invested "satanic" sign of the cross, and that you are committing blasphemy.  A person I know if afraid of being cursed because of the way she has been making the sign for years.  Is there any truth to this?

    I don't know, but I do remember a local novus ordo parish had John Michael Talbot come to give a mission a few years back.  Apparently, he told them the "correct" way to make the Sign of the Cross which involved the holding of three fingers together (just like a priest does after he consecrates the Sacred Species at Mass) and touching the chest area instead of lower.  I know about this because one of the woman who attended the mission was showing others how they were now told to make the Sign of the Cross.   :rolleyes:


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    « Reply #2 on: May 13, 2016, 01:06:17 PM »
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  • Here's a video they link to alleging that the priests therein are making the satanic sign of the cross:

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV7dYWKciL4[/youtube]

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    « Reply #3 on: May 13, 2016, 01:36:16 PM »
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    Here's a video they link to alleging that the priests therein are making the satanic sign of the cross:



    No.  There is no truth in any of this.  From NewAdvent.org:

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    Most commonly and properly the words "sign of the cross" are used of the large cross traced from forehead to breast and from shoulder to shoulder, such as Catholics are taught to make upon themselves when they begin their prayers, and such also as the priest makes at the foot of the altar when he commences Mass with the words: "In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti". (At the beginning of Mass the celebrant makes the sign of the cross by placing his left hand extended under his breast; then raising his right to his forehead, which he touches with the extremities of his fingers, he says: In nomine Patris; then, touching his breast with the same hand, he says: et Filii; touching his left and right shoulders, he says; et Spiritus Sancti; and as he joins his hands again adds: Amen.) The same sign recurs frequently during Mass, e.g. at the words "Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domini", at the "Indulgentiam" after the Confiteor, etc., as also in the Divine Office, for example at the invocation "Deus in adjutorium nostrum intende", at the beginning of the "Magnificat", the "Benedictus", the "Nunc Dimittis", and on many other occasions.


    If one is going to suggest that this constitute an "upside down cross", rather than think of this a Satanic, perhaps one should think that this is a sign of unity with the See of Peter who was crucified upside down.

    Too often people search for reasons to be offended.

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    « Reply #4 on: May 13, 2016, 02:09:51 PM »
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  • Q. 1064. How do we make the sign of the cross?

    A. We make the sign of the cross by putting the right hand to the forehead, then on the breast, and then to the left and right shoulders, saying, "In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Amen." - Baltimore Catechism

    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine


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    « Reply #5 on: May 14, 2016, 01:10:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: Alexandria
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    Edit:  I can't get the links to work.  Long story short, there is a website out there claiming that if you make the Sign of the Cross by touching your chest instead of your belly, you are making an invested "satanic" sign of the cross, and that you are committing blasphemy.  A person I know if afraid of being cursed because of the way she has been making the sign for years.  Is there any truth to this?

    I don't know, but I do remember a local novus ordo parish had John Michael Talbot come to give a mission a few years back.  Apparently, he told them the "correct" way to make the Sign of the Cross which involved the holding of three fingers together (just like a priest does after he consecrates the Sacred Species at Mass) and touching the chest area instead of lower.  I know about this because one of the woman who attended the mission was showing others how they were now told to make the Sign of the Cross.   :rolleyes:


    That's the way it's done in the East. The three fingers represent the Blessed Trinity. The most rabid Eastern Orthodox polemicists have accused Catholics of using 5 fingers because we believed that the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Pope are God together with the Blessed Trinity, lol.

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    « Reply #6 on: May 14, 2016, 09:20:52 AM »
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  • People come up with this stuff to inject fear; hoping Catholics will forget and stop signing themselves altogether for fear they are doing it wrong..

    It is important to sign yourself reverently and with thought not like
    one is shooing away a fly.  

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    « Reply #7 on: May 14, 2016, 10:15:48 AM »
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  • MyrnaM Said:

    It is important to sign yourself reverently and with thought not like
    one is shooing away a fly.

    I agree. After viewing this video three time.  My interpretation is the
    Priests made the Sign of the Cross to fast.  I wonder if they are rushing
    through Mass.  Every part of the Mass including the Sign of the Cross is
    to be done Reverently. It will give some members of the congregation
    that are week in faith in justifying secular thoughts for example what
    they are planning to do after Mass such as taking the Family a trip to
    the ZOO or most likely a sporting event.


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    « Reply #8 on: May 14, 2016, 10:41:48 AM »
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  • I knew a lifelong Catholic who would make the sign of the cross from one hand in the middle of the chest, pointing upwards with the thumb, downwards with the index finger, leftward with the same index finger, and toward the right shoulder with the thumb, all without moving the hand.

    It seemed to be a way of concealing the sign, so as not to be noticed by onlookers.

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    « Reply #9 on: May 15, 2016, 03:06:57 AM »
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  • The sign of the Cross can be made in various ways. One way is to mark on your forehead (or on your lips or on your heart) with your thumb the shape of a cross. Another is to stand with your arms outstretched to the left and right or at an upward angle. Or to cross your arms on your breast.

    The Redemptorists at Papa Stronsay once reprinted a book on the Sign of the Cross which is well worth reading. Sad they went astray!

    How can the sign of the Cross be demonic and at the same time anti-demonic? To think so defies reason. Confusion abounds!

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    « Reply #10 on: May 16, 2016, 02:31:27 AM »
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  • Quote from: Peter15and1
    Edit:  I can't get the links to work.  Long story short, there is a website out there claiming that if you make the Sign of the Cross by touching your chest instead of your belly, you are making an invested "satanic" sign of the cross, and that you are committing blasphemy.  A person I know if afraid of being cursed because of the way she has been making the sign for years.  Is there any truth to this?


    no


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    « Reply #11 on: May 16, 2016, 03:43:32 PM »
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  • Fr. Arseny, Russian priest and prisoner for 20 years in russia, did the sign of the cross with his eyes. Up, down and to each side.

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    « Reply #12 on: May 16, 2016, 06:49:05 PM »
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    Fr. Arseny, Russian priest and prisoner for 20 years in russia, did the sign of the cross with his eyes. Up, down and to each side.


    I wonder why?

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    « Reply #13 on: May 17, 2016, 04:00:44 PM »
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  • If a prisoner had their hands tied, in torture for example.

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    « Reply #14 on: May 18, 2016, 01:50:01 AM »
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    Fr. Arseny, Russian priest and prisoner for 20 years in russia, did the sign of the cross with his eyes. Up, down and to each side.


    I wonder why?


    Maybe he was not able to use his hands. Or maybe that would provoke a beating. I was told in catechism class that in situations of danger it was ok to make the sign of the cross in your hand.    

     

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