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syncmaster · « **on:** March 10, 2015, 11:18:18 AM »

Are catholic saints happy people with all their suffering,penances,mortifications,molestations,foodles and sleeples lives?I dont understand.

Nadir · « **Reply #1 on:** March 10, 2015, 04:33:57 PM »

Their ultimate aim is not to be happy, but to be united with their Love, who is Jesus Christ. Unity with Jesus Christ will bring them joy, but joy is not their focus. Their focus is Jesus Christ.

Luke 13:5: I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.

You are probably confusing penance, which is a command of Our Lord with masochism.

Are you Catholic, sync?

syncmaster · « **Reply #2 on:** March 10, 2015, 05:40:36 PM »

Yes i am catholi,but i really dont understand many things in catholicism.It is the most scary of all religions.What is the meaning of crosses and sufferings?Devil tortured padre pio for example continously and phisically.St Paul was tortured by devil too.Why?Protestantism is so much cheerful and happier.That is why protestant nations are the most successful in the world.

wxg101 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:05:56 PM »

You may have branded yourself Catholic, but by george you are not.

Catholics are not "sheeple". We are people.

Everyone who decided to become Catholic did so because they made that decision on their own. They understood the results of such an action. What are the fruits of a good Catholic?

Obedience.

Now, does that necessarily follow that all Catholics are mindless androids? God forbid. Yet, we have an understanding that says that disobedience caused sin to enter the world. The Blessed Virgin Mary brought Christ into the world through obedience. Jesus Christ obliterated the kingdom of death on Earth to open salvation unto men through doing the Will of the Father in all things. His Perfect Obedience was the salvation unto all those who would accept His Kingdom.

The great Saints of the Church saw this, and afterwards saw the uselessness of the world, and the usefulness of mortification. In their outward appearance, there may be suffering, but the souls of the Saints are the happiest that can exist here on Earth.

As for you, OP, you have shown that you do not desire to be obedient. Catholics decide they will be obedient, even to a blind degree if necessary. That is not something the world likes to hear.

Oh, and Protestants are definitely not happier than true Catholics. They live their lives in constant hatred, disobedience and dishonesty. Their pride stinks onto high heavens, and it causes their demeanor to smell as well.

https://archive.org/stream/catholicandprot00youngoog#page/n34/mode/2up

Historically speaking, success is not what makes a country. It's to what extent a country can act in a unilateral fashion.

Protestant countries absolutely deplore acting in a unilateral function. They only are expressing their own divisions among themselves, which are far too numerous to count here.

syncmaster · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:20:55 PM »

By george i am not but i have stupid tyrannical conscience that dictates me to change my life.Protestants are smarter and more succesful and that is truth

Matto · « **Reply #5 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:23:16 PM »

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By george i am not but i have stupid tyrannical conscience that dictates me to change my life.Protestants are smarter and more succesful and that is truth

If protestants were really smarter then they would be smart enough to get themselves to heaven. Unfortunately they all go to hell. So if that is what being smarter gets you, I'd rather be stupid.

syncmaster · « **Reply #6 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:32:28 PM »

All protestants go to hell.Is there any truth in that statement

Matto · « **Reply #7 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:34:27 PM »

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All protestants go to hell.Is there any truth in that statement

Yes. Only Catholics can go to heaven. Any protestant can convert to Catholicism and be saved, but if they remain protestant they will be damned.

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:35:45 PM »

This is what the Church teaches:

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:
“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jєωs or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

syncmaster · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:40:14 PM »

Ok i am sorry.My mistake.Pretty cruel though

Matto · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2015, 06:54:38 PM »

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Ok i am sorry.My mistake.Pretty cruel though

God gives his graces (that is divine assistance) to all men who reach the age of reason to help them convert to Catholicism and follow his laws so they can be saved. It is up to each man to cooperate with these graces and if he does he will be saved.

Matto · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2015, 07:34:37 PM »

I forgot to mention something about all protestants being damned. There are many protestant children who are young and have been baptized. They are considered Catholic until they grow up and accept the protestant errors. These children can be saved.

I should also mention that if you follow the Popes of Vatican II, they would say that protestants can be saved without conversion, but this is a traditional Catholic forum, so we do not follow the Vatican II Popes' teaching.

syncmaster · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2015, 08:16:02 PM »

Is that obedience?

syncmaster · « **Reply #13 on:** March 10, 2015, 08:18:06 PM »

Exactly like Luther

Matto · « **Reply #14 on:** March 10, 2015, 08:22:26 PM »

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Is that obedience?

There is a fundamental problem in the Catholic world today. The recent Popes contradict the teachings of the previous Popes. So you have to choose. You can either follow the Popes teaching up until 1958, or you can follow the Popes' teachings after 1958, but you cannot follow both because they are contradictory. Traditional Catholics choose to follow the Popes up until 1958 while conciliar Catholics follow the Popes after 1958.