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Offline Lybus

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Rosary and the Seven Sorrows?
« on: August 07, 2011, 12:17:13 PM »
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  • Would it be alright to pray the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary daily, or must the seven sorrows complement the rosary? For some reason I have found of late that it's easier to motivate myself to the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary, so I was wondering if it would be spiritually permissible to put down the rosary, and focus on the Seven Sorrows, perhaps at least temporarily.

    The seven sorrows requires almost the same amount of Hail Mary's as the Rosary, and, structure wise, seems quite similar to the rosary, but I don't know much about this issue. Would it be wise to make a move like this?

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #1 on: August 07, 2011, 02:26:32 PM »
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  • This is funny, I had the exact same predicament as you occur a few weeks ago, or even more recent than that. A very kind person I barely had just met gave me a Seven Sorrows rosary (an expensive one too!) and felt compelled to pray it successively for a few days at the time. My own rosary did get neglected in that period, I believe, but I didn't feel any scrupulosity in not doing the traditional Rosary instead. I think Mary was very content with either the Rosary or the Seven Sorrows rosary.

    I guess you could take the angle that any devotion that leads away from the Rosary is a hindrance and could be a temptation from the devil away from the Holy Rosary; I say this in direct relation to the Divine Mercy chaplet vs the Rosary, as they can be said on the same set of beads. Note: Divine Mercy chaplet is problematic to put shortly in this post and I do not do it, just stating.



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    Rosary and the Seven Sorrows?
    « Reply #2 on: August 07, 2011, 03:59:45 PM »
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    Would it be alright to pray the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary daily, or must the seven sorrows complement the rosary? For some reason I have found of late that it's easier to motivate myself to the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary, so I was wondering if it would be spiritually permissible to put down the rosary, and focus on the Seven Sorrows, perhaps at least temporarily.

    The seven sorrows requires almost the same amount of Hail Mary's as the Rosary, and, structure wise, seems quite similar to the rosary, but I don't know much about this issue. Would it be wise to make a move like this?


    Just like PartyIsOver221 wrote, I too have had this dilemma: I guess there are more of us than we had thought!

    The recitation of the Chaplet of the Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary is quite a salutary devotion, and St. Alphonsus especially recommends that the servants of Our Lady meditate on her Sorrows because this would entail meditation upon the Passion of Our Lord, which is the greatest matter for mental prayer out there.

    However, the recitation of the [Dominican] Rosary has been lavishly indulged by the Supreme Pontiffs and given the enthusiastic support of all sorts of spiritual authors and Saints, and earnestly recommended by Our Lady herself, particularly at Fatima.

    The excellence of the Holy Rosary is constituted by the fact that: 1) it encourages the individual Christian to practice mental prayer, which is morally indispensable for salvation and perfection, since meditation on the Mysteries is required to gain the Indulgences for the Dominican Rosary; 2) it is a heavenly-inspired epitome of the Holy Scriptures, containing the Mysteries of the New Testament and the fulfillment of the types and oracles of the Old Testament; 3) it is a wondrous summary of the Liturgical Year, with the Joyous Mysteries mirroring Advent and Christmastide---the Dolorous Mysteries encompassing Septuagesimatide, Lent, Passiontide and Holy Week---and the Glorious Mysteries mirroring Paschaltide, Ascenstiontide, Pentecost and the season after Pentecost (with the Feasts of Our Lady); 4) it is the "Psalter of Jesus and Mary," the 150 Angelical Salutations being a complement to the 150 Psalms and the Divine Office recited by Priests and Religious.

    However, the fruit that is drawn from the recitation of the Holy Rosary can be drawn also from the above-mentioned Chaplet if it is worthily recited with such attention and devotion so as to enable the individual soul to meditate on the Sorrows of Our Lady in such a way that it truly becomes mental prayer that will be of great assistance in the cultivation of the interior life and the attainment to higher degrees of divine charity and grace.

    Meditating on the Sorrows of Our Lady is particularly salutary for penitent souls, especially those struggling with violent temptations against purity and temperance, as St. Alphonsus teaches.

    So here is my advice: Don't abandon the recitation of the Holy Rosary, but fell free to recite the Sorrowful Mother Chaplet whensoever you are drawn by inspirations of grace. It would be well to adopt the practice of reciting the Chaplet on Fridays, for example.

    Interesting tangent: One good way of reciting either the Dolorous Mysteries of the Holy Rosary or the Sorrowful Mother Chaplet is to end it with the recitation (or chanting, if you are lucky enough to know how to chant) of the Stabat Mater. In personal experience this has been quite fruitful.
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    « Reply #3 on: August 07, 2011, 04:42:55 PM »
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  • As usual, I completely agree with Hobble (who could not, anyway?). I just want to mention that we should not practice certain devotions for their own sake, as if they were an end in themselves.
    As an religious act, we are to ask in prayer for special gifts and graces from God, to praise and thank him who moves our hearts to prayer. More generally speaking, it is a means of union with God.

    Without going into too much detail belonging to ascetical and mystical theology, only remember those words of St. Dionysius: "It is useful to begin everything with prayer, because thereby we surrender ourselves to God and unite ourselves to Him."

    Of course it is right that in our weakness we certainly need vocal prayer, and prayer through the Blessed Virgin is a most excellent form, as Fr. Grou SJ put it:
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    And who would dream of suggesting that there is any way of prayer, in which we can afford to do without Mary; wherein the thought of her virtues and greatness would be a hindrance? Is it not through her that we approach the Son, even as it is through the Son that we go to the Father? Is she not most intimately connected with the three Persons of the most adorable Trinity? Do not all aspects of our faith lead us to be in touch with her? Is she not the channel of graces, and is not hers the most powerful mediation that one could employ with her Son?


    In a preface to the "Ascent of Mount Carmel" it is said:
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    Prayer, for St. John of the Cross as for St. Teresa, is no mere exercise made up of petition and meditation, but a complete spiritual life which brings in its train all the virtues, increases all the soul's potentialities and may ultimately lead to 'deification' or transformation in God through love.


    Unity, love, simplicity - the destruction of self, the infusion of God into our hearts, the ceasing of our will, the acting of the will of God. This is prayer.

    To archive this without the help of Our Lady and her Holy Rosary is hardly possible. But let it never be mechanical, let the choice of devotional practices never be one of custom and habit: But one of desire to attain to a closer union with God. Even and especially when we can feel and see no particular attraction or sensual consolation.
    If you are a theologian, you truly pray, and if you truly pray, you are a theologian. - Evagrius Ponticus

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    « Reply #4 on: August 07, 2011, 06:46:59 PM »
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    Would it be alright to pray the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary daily, or must the seven sorrows complement the rosary? For some reason I have found of late that it's easier to motivate myself to the Seven Sorrows, rather than the Rosary, so I was wondering if it would be spiritually permissible to put down the rosary, and focus on the Seven Sorrows, perhaps at least temporarily.

    The seven sorrows requires almost the same amount of Hail Mary's as the Rosary, and, structure wise, seems quite similar to the rosary, but I don't know much about this issue. Would it be wise to make a move like this?


    Just like PartyIsOver221 wrote, I too have had this dilemma: I guess there are more of us than we had thought!

    The recitation of the Chaplet of the Seven Sorrows of the Blessed Virgin Mary is quite a salutary devotion, and St. Alphonsus especially recommends that the servants of Our Lady meditate on her Sorrows because this would entail meditation upon the Passion of Our Lord, which is the greatest matter for mental prayer out there.

    However, the recitation of the [Dominican] Rosary has been lavishly indulged by the Supreme Pontiffs and given the enthusiastic support of all sorts of spiritual authors and Saints, and earnestly recommended by Our Lady herself, particularly at Fatima.

    The excellence of the Holy Rosary is constituted by the fact that: 1) it encourages the individual Christian to practice mental prayer, which is morally indispensable for salvation and perfection, since meditation on the Mysteries is required to gain the Indulgences for the Dominican Rosary; 2) it is a heavenly-inspired epitome of the Holy Scriptures, containing the Mysteries of the New Testament and the fulfillment of the types and oracles of the Old Testament; 3) it is a wondrous summary of the Liturgical Year, with the Joyous Mysteries mirroring Advent and Christmastide---the Dolorous Mysteries encompassing Septuagesimatide, Lent, Passiontide and Holy Week---and the Glorious Mysteries mirroring Paschaltide, Ascenstiontide, Pentecost and the season after Pentecost (with the Feasts of Our Lady); 4) it is the "Psalter of Jesus and Mary," the 150 Angelical Salutations being a complement to the 150 Psalms and the Divine Office recited by Priests and Religious.

    However, the fruit that is drawn from the recitation of the Holy Rosary can be drawn also from the above-mentioned Chaplet if it is worthily recited with such attention and devotion so as to enable the individual soul to meditate on the Sorrows of Our Lady in such a way that it truly becomes mental prayer that will be of great assistance in the cultivation of the interior life and the attainment to higher degrees of divine charity and grace.

    Meditating on the Sorrows of Our Lady is particularly salutary for penitent souls, especially those struggling with violent temptations against purity and temperance, as St. Alphonsus teaches.

    So here is my advice: Don't abandon the recitation of the Holy Rosary, but fell free to recite the Sorrowful Mother Chaplet whensoever you are drawn by inspirations of grace. It would be well to adopt the practice of reciting the Chaplet on Fridays, for example.

    Interesting tangent: One good way of reciting either the Dolorous Mysteries of the Holy Rosary or the Sorrowful Mother Chaplet is to end it with the recitation (or chanting, if you are lucky enough to know how to chant) of the Stabat Mater. In personal experience this has been quite fruitful.


    I remember, after reading your stuff, wondering to myself whether I would want you more as my English teacher, my Catechism teacher, or my philosophy professor. I still can't decide which one.

    Alright, most of the responses seem to indicate that I should continue with the rosary, and I guess I knew in my heart that that was the best choice.

    The Sorrowful mysteries are definitely meant to be an AID to the Rosary, meditationally that is. For instance, I found a few connections between the flight into Egypt and the Crucifixion that I thought to be helpful in prayer.

    Thanks for all the responses, I can't thank you all enough.

    In regards to being a responsible man, would it be interesting to learn, after six years of accuмulating all the wisdom you could, that you had it right all alon


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    « Reply #5 on: August 07, 2011, 07:57:48 PM »
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    So here is my advice: Don't abandon the recitation of the Holy Rosary, but fell free to recite the Sorrowful Mother Chaplet whensoever you are drawn by inspirations of grace. It would be well to adopt the practice of reciting the Chaplet on Fridays, for example.



    This is great advice.  I personally don't think its a good idea to abandon the daily Rosary.  Perhaps the more you recite the Seven Sorrows chaplet Our Blessed Mother will give you the grace to begin to recite it daily along with the rosary.  The promises attached to this devotion alone are a good incentive to persevere in saying both rosaries each day.  

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    « Reply #6 on: August 07, 2011, 11:48:43 PM »
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    The Sorrowful mysteries are definitely meant to be an AID to the Rosary, meditationally that is. For instance, I found a few connections between the flight into Egypt and the Crucifixion that I thought to be helpful in prayer.


    Meditation upon the Mysteries constitutes the essence of the devotion of the Holy Rosary.

    Yes, I too have found many connections. Here is a chart (Don't you just love charts!? I know I do... sometimes)

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    The Fifth Joyous Mystery <---> The First Glorious Mystery

    The Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Joseph seek the Child Jesus and find Him in the Temple --- St. Mary Magdalen seeks Jesus in the tomb and remains in ardent charity, finding Him in the Garden and thus being the first recorded witness of the Resurrection --- the epitome of the interior life: to seek Jesus and to find Him by grace here and in glory hereafter

    The Second Joyous Mystery <---> The Third Glorious Mystery

    By means of the Blessed Virgin Mary's visitation and greeting, the Incarnate Word replenishes the souls of His Precursor St. John the Baptist and his mother St. Elizabeth with the Holy Ghost, and the mouth of Zacharias is opened to pronounce the Canticle Benedictus --- United in prayer with the Blessed Virgin Mary and through her patronage and tutelage, the Lord Holy Ghost is sent unto the Apostolic College, and their mouths are opened to pronounce the praises of God and preach the sacred Gospel

    The First Joyous Mystery <---> The Fifth Dolorous Mystery

    The Archangel St. Gabriel announces unto the Blessed Virgin Mary the Divine Maternity and the plenitude of glory and grace to which she had been predestined, being forever the Virgin Mother of God --- Our Crucified Savior announces unto His Sorrowful Mother the spiritual and universal Motherhood to which she had been predestined, to have maternal care for His Mystical Body and the care of all mankind in general in pronouncing the words, "Behold thy son."


    There are more connections, but I cannot remember them...

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    Ha! Bless your heart for your kindness.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 04:16:55 PM »
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  • I've nothing to add--just so very thankful that I've found this forum and very much appreciate the posts, especially of hobbledyhoy. Seems each time I visit, I learn a bit more.
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    « Reply #8 on: September 17, 2011, 01:33:24 AM »
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  • The Chaplet of the Seven Sorrows would be appropriate to say during September, a month consecrated to the Dolorous Virgin Mother of the Crucified Savior.

    Anyways, saying the Stabat Mater after the Sorrowful Mysteries of the Holy Rosary is a salutary practice to adopt particularly during this month.

    Rev. Fr. Aquinas Byrnes in his book Hymns of the Dominican Missal and Breviary, (St. Louis, MO: B. Herder Book Co., 1943), gives a very beautiful commentary upon this awesome Sequence, which has been given an indulgence of seven years (Enchiridion Indulgentiarum, no. 378).

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