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Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 02:19:54 PM »
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  • I will miss her. :pray::pray::pray:
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #18 on: Yesterday at 02:40:39 PM »
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  • May her soul Rest In Peace. I didn’t even know she wasn’t well. 😢 

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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #21 on: Yesterday at 05:20:28 PM »
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  • Oh wow. RIP. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #22 on: Yesterday at 06:26:43 PM »
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    But, yes, it does use very Prot-like language and has her funeral at the Novus Ordo church.  If she hadn't been a parishioner at said Novus Ordo church, would they have even given her "Christian Burial"?


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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #25 on: Yesterday at 09:19:44 PM »
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    But, yes, it does use very Prot-like language and has her funeral at the Novus Ordo church.  If she hadn't been a parishioner at said Novus Ordo church, would they have even given her "Christian Burial"?

    All it would take is her husband to be Novus Ordo, and voila -- funeral will be booked at the Novus Ordo.

    I think the "attorney given instructions to have a Tridentine Mass" etc. only applies when someone is single/widowed -- or if your spouse is OK with following your "Traddy thing" after your death. Remember, the non-Trad spouse never darkened the door of a Trad chapel EVEN ONCE while the spouse was alive. Unless the spouses worked something out beforehand, the "Novus Ordo" spouse is going to go where he/she is most comfortable.

    Let's put it this way -- it's like inheritance. When one of your parents dies, you don't "inherit" anything, strictly speaking. It all belongs to the surviving spouse. Now your mother/father might GIVE you some mementos, personal effects, etc. from your deceased parent -- but it's more of a gift, not an inheritance strictly speaking. When one of the parents are still alive, their "estate" stays with that parent. Maybe it's analogous to that.

    We recently went to a funeral of a very devout Trad man -- he was one of those "Trad single" men who "seems" single at Mass, but was actually married. His Mass and burial were Traditional -- but then again, he was the man of the house. He might have arranged the funeral himself, or had someone do it for him. If the wife were the Trad one, it might be more difficult...
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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #26 on: Yesterday at 09:29:20 PM »
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  • All it would take is her husband to be Novus Ordo, and voila -- funeral will be booked at the Novus Ordo.

    I think the "attorney given instructions to have a Tridentine Mass" etc. only applies when someone is single/widowed -- or if your spouse is OK with following your "Traddy thing" after your death. 

    I am divorced and have no one to execute my instructions, my son, while no longer a minor, does not have the life experience or maturity to do something such as that. 

    The instructions I cited are on file with my funeral home (I have a pre-need contract) as well as with my attorney and my trustee, as I noted upthread.

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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
    « Reply #27 on: Yesterday at 09:42:11 PM »
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  • All it would take is her husband to be Novus Ordo, and voila -- funeral will be booked at the Novus Ordo.

    I think the "attorney given instructions to have a Tridentine Mass" etc. only applies when someone is single/widowed -- or if your spouse is OK with following your "Traddy thing" after your death. Remember, the non-Trad spouse never darkened the door of a Trad chapel EVEN ONCE while the spouse was alive. Unless the spouses worked something out beforehand, the "Novus Ordo" spouse is going to go where he/she is most comfortable.

    Let's put it this way -- it's like inheritance. When one of your parents dies, you don't "inherit" anything, strictly speaking. It all belongs to the surviving spouse. Now your mother/father might GIVE you some mementos, personal effects, etc. from your deceased parent -- but it's more of a gift, not an inheritance strictly speaking. When one of the parents are still alive, their "estate" stays with that parent. Maybe it's analogous to that.

    We recently went to a funeral of a very devout Trad man -- he was one of those "Trad single" men who "seems" single at Mass, but was actually married. His Mass and burial were Traditional -- but then again, he was the man of the house. He might have arranged the funeral himself, or had someone do it for him. If the wife were the Trad one, it might be more difficult...

    I think it would depend on the Novus Ordo presbyter ... where perhaps some would give her the funeral even if she wasn't a member of the parish, whereas others would not.  Perhaps she was registered there somehow, and then never withdrew the registration.  Some presbysters would do a funeral for a departed Jew, but would exclude a Traditional Catholic.  It's like where Novus Ordo "bishops" would refuse to give or sell churches to Traditional Catholics, but would sell them to any Prot denomination.  I know of a couple cases where SSPX acquired churches being shut down by the Bogus Ordites only by hiring a Baptist minister as a front-man for the purchase, who then immediately executed a Quit Claim deed to SSPX, and in one case obtained a beautiful building that would have cost millions to build for $50,000 ... via the Baptist, after they had turned down offers for much more from SSPX.

    As for giving an attorney instruction, you can certainly do that, even if you're married ... where you put that in your will and appoint the attorney as executor of your will, if you think your spouse might drag you into a Novus Ordo church.  Yes, the surviving spouse by default holds the decedent's "estate", but that's only the default, and it can be overridden by leaving express instructions to the contrary.  Now, "marital assets" in most states' laws are all owned jointly by the couple, and so there's no transfer of any kind, nor can one of the couple leave "my property" to their children rather than to the spouse, since it's all joint marital property (again, that's in most states).  Exceptions to joint marital property would be things like anything you inherit from your side of the family.  Now, that's only in secular law, whereas in Catholic moral principles, that's not true.  Even if the wife inherits money from her family, legally it's hers and hers alone, but morally it belongs to the household and the husband is in charge of administering those assets.

    If I were in a situation where my wife might bury me in a Bogus Ordo church, I would make my intentions to the contrary widely known to anybody who would listen and leave instructions in a will, and appoint an attorney I could trust as the executor of my will.  At that point, the wife would have to deliberately refuse your wishes and move very quickly before anyone found out that you even had a will.  But then, in my case at least, I would tell my siblings, who are all Traditional Catholics to immediately contact the executor upon my demise.  They would certainly at least hear about my death, even if the wife were hastening to get my butt cremated and have the Novus Ordo scatter my ashes to the wind.

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    Re: RIP - VivaCristoRey, Barbara Byrnes
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    ... it's unfortunate that the obituary contains a reference to a "Mass of Christian Burial", apparently at a mainline Novus Ordo parish.

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    ... it does use very Prot-like language and has her funeral at the Novus Ordo church.  If she hadn't been a parishioner at said Novus Ordo church, would they have even given her "Christian Burial"?

    Her obituary reads like it was written by a funeral home staff member who knows little about Catholics, whether "novus ordo" or "traditionalist".  The obituary, besides providing the times and place for the visitation and the Mass, is a last opportunity to witness the faith by the decedent, which might bear fruit among those who read it.  I recall two obituaries I've read (people I knew who attended a diocesan parish) which stated that the decedent passed away while family members were reciting the Rosary at their bedside.  It is often best for a fammily member or close friend to write the personal details of the obituary, or at least provide those details to the funeral home and approve the write up before it's published.

    There may be details some may not be aware of.  Perhaps she attended the chapel in Paulsboro but her husband belonged to the parish in Swedesboro.  If New Jersey law is similar to Washington's, her husband would legally have control over her final rites and disposition unless she arranged otherwise.  Perhaps they were registered at St. Clare of Assisi parish but attended St. Mary the Virgin Chapel also.  Typically, a diocesan Catholic is buried from the parish they are registered in.  Most pastors are accommodating of legitimate reasons for other arrangements, such as the need for a larger church, or one closer to the cemetery, or the choice of a church that has significance for the family, or their church or priest is not available on the day the family would like the funeral.  Maybe the pastor at St. Clare liked the idea of having the traditionalist in his church to "show our stuff" so to speak.

    As SimpleMan has said (and done), if you want things done a certain way it is always best to make (and fund) the arrangements ahead of time, and make sure the appropriate family or friends know about them.  Often "instructions" aren't discovered until after the funeral unless someone knows about them.