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Offline epiphany

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Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2022, 09:55:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on September 05, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
    Always pray for the faithful departed, including MyrnaM.

    MyrnaM frequently went to Mass and recieved the Sacraments, and she received the Last Rites. We know her by her fruits, which were good here on CathInfo and from testimonies of people who personally knew her. She was a solid Catholic and a holy woman. Of course she's of the Church Triumphant. But even if she's in purgatory, she can still pray for us here. To deny these facts is to deny the Faith.
    You registered aug 7.  How can you declare such about myrna?
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #61 on: September 05, 2022, 03:52:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: sram on September 05, 2022, 09:45:46 AM
    Always pray for the faithful departed, including MyrnaM.

    MyrnaM frequently went to Mass and recieved the Sacraments, and she received the Last Rites. We know her by her fruits, which were good here on CathInfo and from testimonies of people who personally knew her. She was a solid Catholic and a holy woman. Of course she's of the Church Triumphant. But even if she's in purgatory, she can still pray for us here. To deny these facts is to deny the Faith.
    Your sentiments are correct, sram, but your terminology is wrong.

    The Church has three components
    1. the Church Militant (that's us)
    2. the Church Suffering (that's the souls in purgatory)
    3. the Church Triumphant (that's those who are in God's presence)

    Yes, indeed. The prayers of the Church Suffering are most powerful.
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #62 on: September 06, 2022, 09:13:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 05, 2022, 03:52:23 PM
    Your sentiments are correct, sram, but your terminology is wrong.

    The Church has three components
    1. the Church Militant (that's us)
    2. the Church Suffering (that's the souls in purgatory)
    3. the Church Triumphant (that's those who are in God's presence)

    Yes, indeed. The prayers of the Church Suffering are most powerful.
    Thanks, Nadir, for your input. 

    Yes, I already knew that if she wasn't in Heaven but rather in purgatory, she would not yet be of the Church Triumphant, but she can still pray for us in purgatory. I believe she is in Heaven and among the Church Triumphant but I still pray for her soul because I don't take salvation for granted. 
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #63 on: September 06, 2022, 09:33:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on September 06, 2022, 09:13:45 AM
    Thanks, Nadir, for your input.

    Yes, I already knew that if she wasn't in Heaven but rather in purgatory, she would not yet be of the Church Triumphant, but she can still pray for us in purgatory. I believe she is in Heaven and among the Church Triumphant but I still pray for her soul because I don't take salvation for granted.
    I've never heard of this^^. I could be wrong I guess but as far as I always heard, the souls in purgatory cannot pray for us, they are helpless to do anything for themselves or for us. But, if you help them get to heaven through your prayers and penance etc., once they are in heaven THEN they will not cease to do all they can to get you to heaven.
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #64 on: September 06, 2022, 09:46:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Stubborn on September 06, 2022, 09:33:48 AM
    I've never heard of this^^. I could be wrong I guess but as far as I always heard, the souls in purgatory cannot pray for us, they are helpless to do anything for themselves or for us. But, if you help them get to heaven through your prayers and penance etc., once they are in heaven THEN they will not cease to do all they can to get you to heaven.
    Souls in purgatory can pray for the Church Militant, but they can't pray for their own souls. This is why they need our prayers so much. 
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #65 on: September 06, 2022, 10:45:46 AM »
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    • Quote from: sram on September 06, 2022, 09:46:40 AM
    Souls in purgatory can pray for the Church Militant, but they can't pray for their own souls. This is why they need our prayers so much.
    Yes, this was what I thought was the case.  
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #66 on: May 30, 2023, 03:49:37 PM »
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    • :pray:

    I got a kick out of Myrna. I remember thinking her children were lucky. For some reason I recall her answers to some questions in the anonymous section way back:


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    1. When you were a teenager were kids as mean as they are today? Was there a kid in your class with really bad acne who the girls would make fun of?


    2. When you were a kid were candy bars and sweets better than today?


    3. When you were a kid was Frank Sinatra the biggest musical star?


    4. When you were a kid did you ever imagine what America might be like in the future? If so, what did you imagine it would be like?


    5. What was your favorite movie that you saw in the fifties?


    6. Is your favorite color purple or green?



    Roscoe, I didn't see the question, so how could I answer.
    1.  I always seemed to side with the underdog, even as a teen, and yes some were mean but not to the point of killing each other.

    2.  Candy bars were bigger than today, even 5 years ago they were bigger.
         They were always good and you could buy one for a nickle when I was about the age of 10.

    3.  I was never into stars that much, but mine was Jimmy Dean, and yes, Frank Sinatra was big, my mother and her lady friends always talked about him.  

    4.  My favorite T.V. show was Flash Gordon, so that is what I imagined.  

    5.  In the fifties, my favorite movie was Wizard of Oz because it started out black and white and turned into color, I loved that part.  I Love Lucy, (T.V,)  

    6.  Actually my favorite color is peach, I know that because whenever I have a choice of colors and one is peach, that is what I choose.      

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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #67 on: June 05, 2023, 11:52:13 PM »
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    • I finally was able to make a trip to Spokane today from the Tri-Cities.  After visiting family plots at Holy Cross (where my own space is) I went up to Mount St. Michaels and visited their cemetery.  

    Since 1915 The Mount had been the Scholasticate for the Oregon Province of the Society of Jesus, and subsequently was acquired by the CMRI.  My father's cousin was the rector there in the late 1950's - early 1960's.  Adjacent to the grounds is the Jesuit cemetery (distinct from the CMRI chapel cemetery) and I was able to say a prayer of thanksgiving at the grave of Father Francis X. Bisciglia, SJ, who baptized me on July 29, 1951 at St. Joseph's in Seattle.

    I was also able to visit the Lourdes Grotto there https://www.stmichaels.org/chapel-grounds/lourdes-grotto
    (the patroness of the Diocese of Spokane) and the book and religious articles shop, which is very nice.  I need to visit their museum on a subsequent trip.  If anyone is ever in the Spokane area a visit to The Mount is worthwhile, regardless of one's "position on the state of the Church".

    I laid some flowers at this grave on behalf of the Catholic Info community.

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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #68 on: June 06, 2023, 12:05:34 AM »
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    • Class act Moneil. Thanks, and God Bless. 
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #69 on: June 06, 2023, 12:53:47 AM »
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    • Does anyone know when the Magisterium first stated that the Church Suffering may pray for others, but not for themselves? I recall the distinction from grammar school, but was not at the time curious about the details.
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #70 on: June 06, 2023, 05:15:25 AM »
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    • Thank you, Moniel for this very kind gesture.
    I remember when Myrna was caring for her husband, Dennis, and when he died. It is very moving to see where their bodies lie, as they await their resurrection from the grave.
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #71 on: June 06, 2023, 05:39:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 06, 2023, 12:53:47 AM
    Does anyone know when the Magisterium first stated that the Church Suffering may pray for others, but not for themselves? I recall the distinction from grammar school, but was not at the time curious about the details.

    I know of no teaching of the Magisterium along those lines; I believe that this is just the theological consensus.
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    Re: MyrnaM Rest in Peace
    « Reply #72 on: June 06, 2023, 10:54:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on June 06, 2023, 12:53:47 AM
    Does anyone know when the Magisterium first stated that the Church Suffering may pray for others, but not for themselves? I recall the distinction from grammar school, but was not at the time curious about the details.
    Quote from: Ladislaus on June 06, 2023, 05:39:58 AM
    I know of no teaching of the Magisterium along those lines; I believe that this is just the theological consensus.

    While not setting out to deal specifically with your question, Mark, Fr. Fenton offers an explanation as to why the Holy Souls cannot pray for themselves:

    https://archive.org/details/sim_american-ecclesiastical-review_1936-11_95_5/page/n8/mode/1up
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