Author Topic: Questions about St. Joan of Arc (Read 5380 times)

ralgul · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2020, 01:04:51 PM »

St. Joan of Arc's execution was for political reasons, not for heresy. She was a threat to the English monarchy. Heresy had been creeping into England for quite some time before St. Joan of Arc was even born. The real heretics and savages were the warmongering English who were intent on ruling over France. The clerics that oversaw her trial and execution were not guided by the Holy Ghost, rather, they were working for mammon and temporal interests, under the guidance of the King of England (a material heretic, at the very least). The Roman Church soon realized this ulterior motive of the English clerics, and that's why they revoked St. Joan of Arc's "guilt" and canonized her as a Saint, because she was truly a holy woman and great warrior for the Church and France. Let's not forget, also, that not too long after this persecution of St. Joan of Arc by the English, these very English broke away from the Catholic Church to form their "Church of England". It is evident that moral corrosion, hubris and corruption had seeped into England for quite awhile, hence, the treatment of St. Joan of Arc and the adulterous King's break from the Roman Church.

cassini · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2020, 04:47:19 PM »

Well said raigul. Here is an example to show how right you are:

From our own studies we believe Shakespeare himself gives the game away (that he was francis Bacon) when he acts totally out of character by his vicious attack on the integrity of (St) Joan of Arc in his play Henry VI, treating the English as having ‘God as our fortress’ and the French as being one with the ‘witches and the help of hell’ (Act.II, Sc.1) and ‘Devil, or devil's dam’ (1:5).

‘In 1576 Queen Elizabeth packed the young Bacon up and personally shipped him off to France. She wanted him to spy on foreign governments and officials in the same capacity as John Dee.’[1]The likes of Bacon would be very well aware that Joan la Puchelle was used by God in this war of Principalities and Powers. Consequently, whereas he was a man able to engage and parry as equal with anyone from King to the most lowly wretch, all of whom are manifested in the writings of Shakespeare, he could not contain himself when making reference to a superior on the Melchisedech field of combat, the soldier of Christ, Joan of Arc, now a saint, whom Diana Vaughan was pleased to invoke in her conflict against her former colleagues in proto-Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ.

‘In the first part of [Shakespeare’s] Henry the Sixth, Jeanne d’Arc addresses the Duke of Burgundy in a speech of thirty-three lines. This speech is an absolutely faithful version of a letter in France written by the Maid of Orleans to the then Duke of Burgundy and dated July 17^th, 1429. There is no historical authority for this letter which never saw the light of print till discovered by the Historian of the house of Burgundy in 1780. Bacon in his travels might easily have seen this letter: in fact the author of this play must have done so. [Shaksper] was never within miles of it.’[2]

[1]Richard Allan Wagner: The Truth about Freemasons, 2015.

[2]Walter Ellis’s The Shakespeare Myth, Bacon Society, 1937.

roscoe · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2020, 04:51:58 PM »

I am not quite sure what you are trying to say but Bacon was NOT Shakespeare

cassini · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2020, 11:31:37 AM »

This appeared in the Daily Mail yesterday;

The story of how a simple peasant girl rallied the French during the Hundred Years War is fascinating.

By 1429, the English had captured most of northern France including Paris. They had laid siege to Orleans, the only remaining loyal French city north of the Loire. Into a defeated French court at Chinon came 17-year-old Joan. She claimed that visions of St Michael, St Catherine and St Margaret had told her to drive out the English and deliver the French Dauphin to Reims for his coronation.

That is exactly what she did. [leading her army to victory after victory]

Charles VII was crowned on July 17, 1429. On May 23, 1430, Joan was captured by Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, who ransomed her to the English. She was brought to trial at Rouen, which was under the control of Earl of Warwick.

Her trial was overseen by Pierre Cauchon, the pro-English Bishop of Beauvais, because she had been captured in his diocese. After prolonged, intensive questioning, she failed to provide any answers that could be seen to constitute heresy. However she was caught out on a technicality. Joan had agreed to wear only women’s clothing, but towards the end of the trial, she resumed wearing male clothing, perhaps as a defence against rape. She was charged as a relapsed heretic and excommunicated by Cauchon. On May 30, 1431, she was burned at the stake in the marketplace in Rouen.

By 1450 Charles VII was finally secure on the French throne. He ordered Guillaurne Bouiille, a theologian at the University of Paris to inquire into the ‘faults and abuses’ committed by Joan’s accusers, whom King Charles accused of having ‘brought about her death iniquitously and against right reason very cruelly.’ A posthumous retrial was then opened in 1452.

Pope Callixtus III authorised this nullification trial at the request of the Inquisition-general jean Brehal and Joan’s mother Isabelle Romee. A panel of theologians was brought together and they analysed the testimony from some 115 witnesses. Brehal drew up his final summary in June 1456, which described Joan of Arc as a martyr and implicated the late Bishop Cauchon with heresy for having convicted an innocent woman in pursuit of a vendetta.

The court declared Joan innocent. Pope Callixtus III excommunicated Cauchon posthumously in 1457 for his role in her persecution and condemnation. Joan was canonised as a saint of the Catholic Church on May 16, 1920, by Pope Benedict XV. (Marianne Kelly, Belfast)

poche · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2020, 10:54:09 PM »

Quote from: cassini on March 20, 2020, 11:31:37 AM

This appeared in the Daily Mail yesterday;

The story of how a simple peasant girl rallied the French during the Hundred Years War is fascinating.
By 1429, the English had captured most of northern France including Paris. They had laid siege to Orleans, the only remaining loyal French city north of the Loire. Into a defeated French court at Chinon came 17-year-old Joan. She claimed that visions of St Michael, St Catherine and St Margaret had told her to drive out the English and deliver the French Dauphin to Reims for his coronation.

That is exactly what she did. [leading her army to victory after victory]

Charles VII was crowned on July 17, 1429. On May 23, 1430, Joan was captured by Philip the Good, Duke of Burgundy, who ransomed her to the English. She was brought to trial at Rouen, which was under the control of Earl of Warwick.

Her trial was overseen by Pierre Cauchon, the pro-English Bishop of Beauvais, because she had been captured in his diocese. After prolonged, intensive questioning, she failed to provide any answers that could be seen to constitute heresy. However she was caught out on a technicality. Joan had agreed to wear only women’s clothing, but towards the end of the trial, she resumed wearing male clothing, perhaps as a defence against rape. She was charged as a relapsed heretic and excommunicated by Cauchon. On May 30, 1431, she was burned at the stake in the marketplace in Rouen.

By 1450 Charles VII was finally secure on the French throne. He ordered Guillaurne Bouiille, a theologian at the University of Paris to inquire into the ‘faults and abuses’ committed by Joan’s accusers, whom King Charles accused of having ‘brought about her death iniquitously and against right reason very cruelly.’ A posthumous retrial was then opened in 1452.

Pope Callixtus III authorised this nullification trial at the request of the Inquisition-general jean Brehal and Joan’s mother Isabelle Romee. A panel of theologians was brought together and they analysed the testimony from some 115 witnesses. Brehal drew up his final summary in June 1456, which described Joan of Arc as a martyr and implicated the late Bishop Cauchon with heresy for having convicted an innocent woman in pursuit of a vendetta.
The court declared Joan innocent. Pope Callixtus III excommunicated Cauchon posthumously in 1457 for his role in her persecution and condemnation. Joan was canonised as a saint of the Catholic Church on May 16, 1920, by Pope Benedict XV. (Marianne Kelly, Belfast)

I think it is interesting that the bishop who condemned her had the surname "Cauchon" which sounds like "cochon" which means "pig."

CathInfo.com

Author Topic: Questions about St. Joan of Arc (Read 5380 times)

ralgul

Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc

cassini

Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc

roscoe

Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc

cassini

Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc

poche

Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc