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Offline confederate catholic

Re: Questioning certain teachings of the Church
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2019, 05:59:04 PM »
Remember that God is love, and just you can be sure he doesn't need a slide rule and calculater. No one will spend more or less time than is needed for purification
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Offline Nadir

Re: Questioning certain teachings of the Church
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2019, 09:18:54 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on February 06, 2019, 02:27:14 PM
The trouble I have with it though is prayers getting souls through Purgatory faster. Why do other people's prayers affect the cleansing of your soul? Wouldn't that mean you go through Purgatory faster just by being better liked and having more friends? I don't really understand it, and it niggles at the back of my mind whenever I say a prayer for souls in Purgatory.
Nevertheless, scripture (Macchabees) tells us:
It is a holy and wholesome thought tp pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.
Do you always pray only for friends or do you sometimes pray in general for the souls in purgatory? God will apportion justly.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Questioning certain teachings of the Church
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2019, 12:10:41 PM »
Quote from: Nadir on February 06, 2019, 09:18:54 PM
Nevertheless, scripture (Macchabees) tells us:
It is a holy and wholesome thought tp pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.
Do you always pray only for friends or do you sometimes pray in general for the souls in purgatory? God will apportion justly.
I do make sure to say prayers for all the souls in Purgatory too, but I still struggle to understand why other people's prayers would affect your purification. Surely that should only depend on your own sins and actions? It's not like I deny the doctrine at all, I believe it and say prayers for all my loved ones who have passed on(although I probably still would even if it didn't do anything), but I still struggle understanding it. 
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Offline confederate catholic

Re: Questioning certain teachings of the Church
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 12:42:20 PM »
It is first a mystery so no one really understands these things fully this side of the grave.
Perhaps the communal nature of sin may aid your understanding. We sin not just against God but also our neighbors, for example if you steal your theft harms another, maybe many in a chain of events that you caused. We are unable to absolve ourselves, in the early church confession took place many times in public because the sin of individuals effects others. The incarnational aspect of our faith shows us that the effect of sin requires God to take on flesh. He requires us to love one another, breaking the bond with our neighbors requires repair as well. 
So maybe the soul waiting for another's prayers broke the bonds of charity with the ancestors of that person praying.
Faith is a gift and when we don't understand we cling to the truths of God more tightly.
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Offline forlorn

Re: Questioning certain teachings of the Church
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 02:47:19 PM »
Quote from: confederate catholic on February 07, 2019, 12:42:20 PM
It is first a mystery so no one really understands these things fully this side of the grave.
Perhaps the communal nature of sin may aid your understanding. We sin not just against God but also our neighbors, for example if you steal your theft harms another, maybe many in a chain of events that you caused. We are unable to absolve ourselves, in the early church confession took place many times in public because the sin of individuals effects others. The incarnational aspect of our faith shows us that the effect of sin requires God to take on flesh. He requires us to love one another, breaking the bond with our neighbors requires repair as well.
So maybe the soul waiting for another's prayers broke the bonds of charity with the ancestors of that person praying.
Faith is a gift and when we don't understand we cling to the truths of God more tightly.
Thank you. 
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