I got this from a website that says these are part of the 20 vikest things about women said by prominent ancient Christian men. Could someome explain to me the proper way to understand these quotes in a true Catholic way?



http://awaypoint.wordpress.com/2013/...churchfathers/


Woman does not possess the image of God in herself but only when taken together
with the male who is her head, so that the whole substance is one image. But
when she is assigned the role as helpmate, a function that pertains to her
alone, then she is not the image of God. But as far as the man is concerned, he
is by himself alone the image of God just as fully and completely as when he and
the woman are joined together into one. –Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354-430)
What is the difference whether it is in a wife or a mother, it is still Eve the temptress that we must beware of in any woman… I fail to see what use woman can be to man, if one excludes the function of bearing children. –Saint Augustine, Bishop of Hippo Regius (354 – 430)
Woman is a misbegotten man and has a faulty and defective nature in comparison to his. Therefore she is unsure in herself. What she cannot get, she seeks to obtain through lying and diabolical deceptions. And so, to put it briefly, one must be on one’s guard with every woman, as if she were a poisonous snake and the horned devil. … Thus in evil and perverse doings woman is cleverer, that is, slyer, than man. Her feelings drive woman toward every evil, just as reason impels man toward all good. –Saint Albertus Magnus, Dominican theologian, 13th century
As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active force in the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of woman comes from a defect in the active force or from some material indisposition, or even from some external influence. –Thomas Aquinas, Doctor of the Church, 13th century, Summa Theologica

I approve the post by jman123.

heheheheh :smoke-pot:

Wait a minute here!
Isn't this THE St. Augustine who lived a dissolute life, lived with a mistress for 15 years & who bore him a son?
Could it be that this saint is somewhat blaming the woman for his sins? (She lied?  She was deceptive?)  And wasn't it a WOMAN, his mother St. Monica, who prayed & sacrificed for years that he'd return to his senses?  Where's the thanks?

These men are not infallible.

There's a certain amount of care that should be taken with the sacred. . .

There's a certain amount of care that should be taken with the truth in general.  Unfortunately, that link seems to be no longer working. We can't evaluate things like content, translation etc..

But given the Church's elevation and recognition of the Blessed Virgin and historic repetition of canonization of females, it would be pretty dangerous to use these quotes to jump to any conclusions.

From St. Augustine on the Trinity? Who would blame you? Studying the Trinity certainly can be that.

I don't know why Start Page doesn't return the same amount of results as Google when it's enhanced by Google, but you can run down quotes by typing pieces of them in "quotes" through it more often than you can Start Page.

I.e. Google:

"But as far as the man is concerned, he is by himself alone the image of God"

And you'll get 'On the Trinity' as well as a ton of agitprop using the quote.

You can find 'On the Trinity' elsewhere entirely online by a search for that.

Then you find it's from:

'Chapter 7.— How Man is the Image of God. Whether the Woman is Not Also the Image of God. How the Saying of the Apostle, that the Man is the Image of God, But the Woman is the Glory of the Man, is to Be Understood Figuratively and Mystically.'

Quote:  "These men are not infallible."

What's that supposed to mean?!  Who on earth on this forum thinks that these men are infallible?!!!
Are there actually people on here who think we're that dumb that that had to be posted & we had to be clued in?

Well, here's more news that I always thought was a given:  But, just in case.....

In the good ol' days, 'mankind' or 'man' meant ALL human beings and not just men.  It was just lately that the women libbers insisted that we be called 'humankind' and of course society fell into lockstep and now it's humankind instead of mankind.  Then all the road signs had to be changed to say "People Working"  instead of "Men Working" & other such nonsense.

Man (or mankind) is made in the image of God.

Quite right.
However the Bible says that man (meaning the human race) is made in the image & likeness of God.

Genesis 1,27:  And God created man to His image; to the image of God He created him.  Male & female He created them.