Author Topic: Question for Sedevacantists and CMRI (Read 1642 times)

Canuk the Lionheart · « **on:** June 14, 2011, 11:54:01 AM »

Hey, I was wondering how you guys feel about the 1962 Roman Catholic Missal? In your opinion when priest (from SSPX, FSSP, ICKSP etc) uses it's rubrics is it a valid Mass?

TKGS · « **Reply #1 on:** June 14, 2011, 03:28:13 PM »

I believe the 1962 Missal is valid. I cannot see why it would not be.

I am sympathetic with the view that the changes in the 1962 Missal were not wise, and I have no objection to those priests and congregations who use a prior Missal, but I haven't even heard any of these priests suggest that the changes in 1962 were invalidating.

I know priests who use the 1962 Missal, the pre-1962 Missal with the changes in Holy Week, and priests who use the Missal prior to the Holy Week changes. Not one of them have warned me against attending Mass at another's chapel.

Even the 2008 Missal (that's the one with the new Good Friday Prayer for the Jєωs written by Benedict XVI) is even valid. The best objection for attending these Masses is the questionable orders of the priests who offer it.

(By the way, after conducting numerous internet searches, including of the Vatican's own website, I have come to the conclusion that the conciliar church has never actually promulgated this new Good Friday prayer. The only actual (quasi-official) announcement of this prayer I can find is press release by the Vatican Secretary of State. Even by Conciliar law such a change would have to be published in the Acts of the Apostolic See and it appears that no such "Act" has ever been promulgated. If I am in error, I'd appreciate correction.)

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #2 on:** June 14, 2011, 04:38:51 PM »

While there is MUCH confusion from some quarters, NO sede thinks Masses said using the 62 Missal are NOT VALID. This is total nonsense reminiscent of a game of "Telephone" -- i.e., the actual arguments SVs make against using the 62 Missal have NOTHING to do with VALIDITY, but people keep repeating the idea as if it were so.

Sigismund · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2011, 06:24:00 PM »

Are there any Sedevacantist churches that use the 1962 Missal? I was under the impression that that they all used 1955 or earlier.

PartyIsOver221 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2011, 06:37:14 PM »

Not that I am aware of, Sigismund.

Baskerville · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:06:53 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Are there any Sedevacantist churches that use the 1962 Missal? I was under the impression that that they all used 1955 or earlier.

I go to an SSPV Church and we use the 1949 St Andrews Missal.

Baskerville · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:09:18 PM »

Quote from: gladius_veritatis

While there is MUCH confusion from some quarters, NO sede thinks Masses said using the 62 Missal are NOT VALID. This is total nonsense reminiscent of a game of "Telephone" -- i.e., the actual arguments SVs make against using the 62 Missal have NOTHING to do with VALIDITY, but people keep repeating the idea as if it were so.

Actually there was a lot of messing with the Mass starting with the Holy Week rites in 1954ish by the Freemason Bugnini so I think we have valid arguments for staying safe and using the 1949 Missal. That being said I think the 1962 missal is valid. Not enough was done to it to invalidate it unlike the protestant Lords Supper Communion Service of Paul VI.

Baskerville · « **Reply #7 on:** June 19, 2011, 08:11:19 PM »

double post opps :smash-pc: