Author Topic: Question about the cappa magna (Read 748 times)

PG · « **on:** July 17, 2016, 05:02:19 PM »

Can a traditional bishop in this crisis wear the cappa magna(the long cope that drags on the ground)? I read that there are rules regulating its use. And, one rule is that a bishop can only wear it in his diocese. So, I would assume that traditional bishops cannot wear it being that they have no ordinary jurisdiction and therefore no diocese. Would you agree?

Degrelle · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2016, 10:20:18 AM »

A traditional bishop probably shouldn't because of its association with jurisdiction. From "Costume of Prelates of the Catholic Church", page 75 (available at https://books.google.ca/books?id=W0UWAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=cappa+magna&source=bl&ots=TGHQi1gT9q&sig=26nLdXV3aGVaSxqbDq_gK26H_7E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvrP3EpP3NAhVs04MKHX_JDsc4ChDoAQgxMAY#v=onepage&q=cappa%20magna&f=false):

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There are two kinds of cappae, the one fully unfolded, the other folded and curtailed.

The former - the one described above - is the cappae which we are accustomed to see worn by a Bishop in his diocese. This cappa is a sign of jurisdiction and authority; therefore it is worn by the Pope and Cardinals everywhere; by a Metropolitan Bishop in his province, by a Bishop in his diocese.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2016, 11:45:01 AM »

Quote from: PG

Can a traditional bishop in this crisis wear the cappa magna(the long cope that drags on the ground)? I read that there are rules regulating its use. And, one rule is that a bishop can only wear it in his diocese. So, I would assume that traditional bishops cannot wear it being that they have no ordinary jurisdiction and therefore no diocese. Would you agree?

That's correct, they cannot. They do not have jurisdiction. Technically, depending on one's views, no Latin Rite bishop would be able to.

TKGS · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2016, 04:36:28 PM »

We have now seen the problem of not having that scroll bar on the bottom.

When people put those incredibly long URLs on that make the page too big, width-wise, we can't scroll over to see what is written to the far right.

JezusDeKoning · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2016, 05:35:22 PM »

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We have now seen the problem of not having that scroll bar on the bottom.

When people put those incredibly long URLs on that make the page too big, width-wise, we can't scroll over to see what is written to the far right.

CTRL + -

PG · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2016, 01:19:14 AM »

Degrelle - Thanks for the response. But, the link you provided did not work for me. If you can, please link us a picture of the cappa that is "folded and curtailed" as opposed to the one that is full unfolded. And, if you cannot find a picture of the folded and curtailed, please describe it in more detail.

And, can a traditionalist bishop wear a folded and curtailed one in this crisis? I don't know the regulations surrounding each. Perhaps that book link your posted would provide, but it didn't work for me. Perhaps you can copy and paste the important part explaining it and answering my questions.

Degrelle · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2016, 07:33:24 AM »

Hmmm .. that is odd that the link won't work for you.

Maybe this one will?

https://books.google.com/books/about/Costume_of_Prelates_of_the_Catholic_Chur.html?id=ILddVVSkGx8C

Also, it appears that it can be purchased fairly reasonably from Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1440049629/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1440049629&linkCode=as2&tag=httpwwwchanco-20

Anyway, as for the "folded and curtailed" cappa, here is what it says (page 76):

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The other cappa, curtailed and folded, is won by Bishops and certain Prelates di mantelletta when attending the Papal "Chapels", and also by Canons, to whom it is conceded by a special indult of the Pope.

This cappa has the same cape as the other; but the vestment itself is so curtailed that it is reduced to a wide plaited band hanging on the back and ending in a short train. This train, however, is never down, for the flowing train is a mark of jurisdiction; it is lifted up, twisted and tied with purple ribbon, with which it is suspended from the left side of the cape. Thus twisted and tied up, this train symbolizes a restricted jurisdiction, or the absence of jurisdiction.

Formerly there was no difference between these two cappae; this is why the regulations laid down for the use of the one apply to the other.

There is no picture in the book of the curtailed and folded cappa in the book as far as I can see.

When it says in that last bit that the regulations for one apply for both, I take that to mean that non-diocesan bishops, those without jurisdiction, never wear either cappa.

monka966 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2016, 07:59:10 AM »

Here is a copy of the book for download:

https://archive.org/details/costumeofprelate00nainuoft

monka966 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 19, 2016, 08:12:05 AM »

Another interesting book:

https://archive.org/details/massvestmentsofcld00wals