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Offline Cryptinox

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Question about moral theology
« on: May 27, 2023, 12:22:23 AM »
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  • I was scrolling twitter and found this image. A reply to the post said "So long as these things draw you closer to God and make you more zealous in His service. This intention is rare indeed, and yet the manuals of theology state plainly that it is a sin to use any of the goods of God's creation without this intention." Could anyone elaborate on this? I am curious as to what intention you must have. As of now I just intend on doing God's will.
    I recant many opinions on the crisis in the Church and moral theology that I have espoused on here from at least 2019-2021 don't take my postings from that time as well as 2022 possibly too seriously.

    Offline AnthonyPadua

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    Re: Question about moral theology
    « Reply #1 on: May 27, 2023, 05:50:28 AM »
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  • I was scrolling twitter and found this image. A reply to the post said "So long as these things draw you closer to God and make you more zealous in His service. This intention is rare indeed, and yet the manuals of theology state plainly that it is a sin to use any of the goods of God's creation without this intention." Could anyone elaborate on this? I am curious as to what intention you must have. As of now I just intend on doing God's will.

    Everything should be ordered towards God. The Saints are quite extreme (that's why they are Saints) so many will say that anything that keeps you away from God is a waste of time (including (especially) hobbies).

    I think that most worldly items are not necessary. For example. I currently use a old run down laptop which has many faulty keys like the ctrl key. The laptop is slow and can't play videos at 1080p 2x speed, and using keyboard shortcuts is no longer possible. Sure I would like a new laptop, but I don't NEED it. Maybe a women desires a new handbag, not needed, but in certain cases might be necessary, eg her old one is falling apart.

    As per your image, the majority of people do not 'have fun' to please God but rather to please themselves. We don't have to be 'boring Catholics' and it depends on your state in life. A father may need to buy somethings for his children to grow and develop properly. I am more of a 'boring Catholic' but not currently a full 'monk mode' religious. I may go to a restaurant once in a blue moon. But I don't do the things I used to enjoy such as playing video games etc.


    Offline Marie Teresa

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    Re: Question about moral theology
    « Reply #2 on: May 27, 2023, 08:04:16 AM »
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  • I don't know if this will help you understand it, but here is the Principle & Foundation from the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius:


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    Man is created to praise, reverence, and serve God our Lord, and by this means to save his soul..

    And the other things on the face of the earth are created for man and that they may help him in prosecuting the end for which he is created.
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    From this it follows that man is to use them as much as they help him on to his end, and ought to rid himself of them so far as they hinder him as to it.
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    For this it is necessary to make ourselves indifferent to all created things in all that is allowed to the choice of our free will and is not prohibited to it; so that, on our part, we want not health rather than sickness, riches rather than poverty, honor rather than dishonor, long rather than short life, and so in all the rest; desiring and choosing only what is most conducive for us to the end for which we are created.


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    Re: Question about moral theology
    « Reply #3 on: May 27, 2023, 12:56:44 PM »
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  • "So long as these things draw you closer to God and make you more zealous in His service. This intention is rare indeed, and yet the manuals of theology state plainly that it is a sin to use any of the goods of God's creation without this intention." Could anyone elaborate on this? I am curious as to what intention you must have.

    Say for example, parents decide to buy a new set of suits and dresses for themselves and their children, their Sunday-best having gotten shabby over the years, and the children having outgrown theirs beyond hand-me-down practicality. If in so doing, they explain that, "This is what we wear on Sundays and days of precept when our purpose is to glorify God", then they've probably demonstrated that intent and taught their children well too. Thus, it's no longer the base desire of "I want pretty clothes" as in the left side panel of that image.
    Let nothing disturb you, let nothing frighten you, all things pass away: God never changes. Patience obtains all things. He who has God finds he lacks nothing; God alone suffices. - St. Teresa of Jesus